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China was at fault for coronavirus, even if we assume it was some natural occurrence. They've admitting putting certain areas under quarantine but not keeping the airports in those areas closed. In other words, they knew exactly what they were doing.
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Thunderbringer: Actually it was found that the covid was out there looong before Wuhan. A year at least.
I heard November, but i'd like a source on this. I know it was worked on in the Wuhan lab for alot longer, but that's a whole other kettle of fish.
But if you touched covid topic - one thing is clear about it is that governments of pretty much whole world weren't ready for any kind of pandemic. AT ALL.

In fact many countries were saving money by cutting funds on disease control and specialized hospitals. Con-fucking-gratulations to them for the unlocked achievement on a new Great Depression on a global scale. When it was clear that that it started to spread across the borders what they did? Nothing. They were afraid that 50 days lockdown will hurt economy, "muh tourists..." Congrats. Instead of losing maybe 2-3 billions they lost much more.
Because it's disease control 101 - you have oubreak? Go for full lockdown in affected areas. Disease is spreading across the borders? Close the borders. A month, worst case scenario 3 and poof, no more disease. Because that's how you prevent large scale epidemic/pandemic - by not letting people to roam freely and spread disease. When they finally decided to go for lockdowns it was too late. And no emergency supply of masks and suits, not some very expensive hazmat suits, just very basic ones? Well played for sure. I remember when it all started countries were literally stealing cargo of medical supplies for other countries. I was facepalming for days looking at all that lunacy.
Every single moment some tourist from Africa can bring something new. Every single moment a virus that animals carry can mutate and start to infect people. It can literally happen again in a month. Maybe next time it will be rotavirus and there will be global shortage of diapers. Speaking of which - well played, toilet paper makers - making sheeple to buy more toilet paper in a month than they bought since 1960 was fucking brilliant.
The kicker is, we did that for everything, including africa, but not China. China got a special exception. Some states were under a "lockdown" but the exceptions were precisely how COVID spreads, anyway. In America and Italy, we had "hug a chinese person" compaigns, because the Chine--World Health Organisation said it was fine, that it came from bat soup, no human-to-human transmission, and Donald Trump trying to close the damn border, especially from China, was "fucking racist." Unfortunately, most people anymore have short memory spans.
So not being ready for that, not having emergency supplies of stuff that's super cheap and can sit in storage for at least 20 years without going bad. No standard procedure for the situation. That's almost Idiocracy level of stupidity.
And all that petty vaccine bickering instead of joining forces in developing one ASAP. Big farma being the usual self.
That was the Almighty Dollar speaking, there. JIT is the flavor of the day in industry environments, I assume cause it showed so much progress in comp-sci.
"Covid dissidents" aka uneducated dumbwits with a mindset of 6yo kids, more dumb than flat earthers didn't help either. "Masks have holes much bigger than virus, they don't help" - idiots don't know that mask is supposed to prevent liquids from your body that carry the virus, like saliva when you cough from flying to other person and they slighly reduce the chance of it landing right in your mouth or nose when someone else will cough or sneeze. It's not something that can magically prevent you from getting infected but it can greatly reduce the chance.
They were told, but the west on the whole is largely thinking of #1, first, even over their own damn families. The amount of posturing i see every time someone i know gets Kung Flu is astounding.
And then if all that wasn't enough as soon as first wave was over they opened everything and started a lot of public events. Then surprised pikachu faces when second wave hits like a freight train. Now imagine if it was outbreak of something really deadly, like i dunno... new, highly contagious strain of measles. At the end of the first month, the world's largest superpower would have been an island with population of 10000.
I said the same thing every year with Influenza. The thing is, this actually is more dangerous than Influenza, however it's nowhere near as dangerous as Ebola, and look back to see how the US handled that differently. Hell, SARS-CoV(-1) was handled way, way better. It's dangerous enough to use as a political issue, which is precisely what happened and how it will hopefully be remembered: the disease that was more importnat politically than the average person's life.
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It's like wow dude, you're mind set, is so fucking whack and selfish, it's hard to comment on you, and I won't be doing it. Your just to big of an idiot. You're here trying to argue a meaning of a definition, which isn't even relevant, and your not even right about it.
And yet you did, just calling names just like every kiddo who can't counter someone else's arguments with facts. Go back to school and don't cry.

Also it was thousands of students not 10-200 dead. It was literally thousands. The CPP executed many reporters, stole lots of film and information, and did many things to try and make the death toll seem lower than it is, but thousands were killed.
Reporters? film? Are you using a fucking acoustic modem to connect to internet? Every fucking single person is a reporter right now. I dunno what hole you crawled out from but everyone else got smartphones. Youtube is full of videos from protests from everywhere. Reporters from many countries worked there. No one got "executed" lol.
Because in case you don't know China got legal system also and filming a protest isn't a capital offence. Sure journalist can get whacked by either police or protesters in a clash can get detained then released. Worst case scenario - stray bullet. But it didn't happen this time. Also execution of jounalists gets you UN level sanctions. I don't see any related to that. Nor do i see any official press releases on the matter.

Also CPP? C++?. C++ *interpreter* can execute *code* for sure. If you meant CCP - Chinese Communist Party - they can't execute anyone. Maybe it's a surprise for you but other countries have legal system. Only court can sentence someone to death. Only for crimes that have that kind of punishment and even for that case it's limited to most severe crimes. In other cases it will be a long prison term or life imprisonment.

And again filming protests isn't something that can get you there. It won't even get you in prison in first place, you can get detained, they will take your fingerprints and kick you out in a few hours. Unless you'll be fighting with cops. Then you'll get yourself a few years in hotel that doesn't have any stars.
Also in case you didn't know only local HK police was dealing with protesters.

You're speaking of propaganda yet saying nothing but utter BS. Like every other reddit kiddo. Who doesn't know a fuck about anything but feels the urge to attack others with his expert opinion.
Has OP managed to come up with any actual evidence yet?

Visa and Mastercard are just the payment handlers; their only concern is whether the items that they're processing are legal in the countries they're selling into. Nothing in Devotion is illegal in the Western World (and strictly speaking, it's not illegal in "mainland China" either).

The Pornhub thing was around the allegations of depiction of illegal activity and uploads onto that part of the MindGeek empire. The illegality in question was something that's illegal across the Western World (where GoG is registered) and probably in Russia as well (where OP is based). It was also illegal where poster 3 was based (Germany).

So, without actual evidence, I don't think you can blame the "banks" (note that Visa and Mastercard aren't banks), or anyone but GoG and the "Many Gamers".

It's like wow dude, you're mind set, is so fucking whack and selfish, it's hard to comment on you, and I won't be doing it. Your just to big of an idiot. You're here trying to argue a meaning of a definition, which isn't even relevant, and your not even right about it.
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Thunderbringer: And yet you did, just calling names just like every kiddo who can't counter someone else's arguments with facts. Go back to school and don't cry.

Also it was thousands of students not 10-200 dead. It was literally thousands. The CPP executed many reporters, stole lots of film and information, and did many things to try and make the death toll seem lower than it is, but thousands were killed.
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Thunderbringer: Reporters? film? Are you using a fucking acoustic modem to connect to internet? Every fucking single person is a reporter right now. I dunno what hole you crawled out from but everyone else got smartphones. Youtube is full of videos from protests from everywhere. Reporters from many countries worked there. No one got "executed" lol.
Because in case you don't know China got legal system also and filming a protest isn't a capital offence. Sure journalist can get whacked by either police or protesters in a clash can get detained then released. Worst case scenario - stray bullet. But it didn't happen this time. Also execution of jounalists gets you UN level sanctions. I don't see any related to that. Nor do i see any official press releases on the matter.

Also CPP? C++?. C++ *interpreter* can execute *code* for sure. If you meant CCP - Chinese Communist Party - they can't execute anyone. Maybe it's a surprise for you but other countries have legal system. Only court can sentence someone to death. Only for crimes that have that kind of punishment and even for that case it's limited to most severe crimes. In other cases it will be a long prison term or life imprisonment.

And again filming protests isn't something that can get you there. It won't even get you in prison in first place, you can get detained, they will take your fingerprints and kick you out in a few hours. Unless you'll be fighting with cops. Then you'll get yourself a few years in hotel that doesn't have any stars.
Also in case you didn't know only local HK police was dealing with protesters.

You're speaking of propaganda yet saying nothing but utter BS. Like every other reddit kiddo. Who doesn't know a fuck about anything but feels the urge to attack others with his expert opinion.
You are an idiot look up the documentary "The Tank Man". The CPP commanded there army to fire into crowds of unarmed protesters. Also this was a time when the internet was still newish.

Also people did get executed. This is fact, in that instance it was a capital offense to protest.

You are literally so dumb and you don't even know it.
Post edited December 19, 2020 by RockyFour1
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RockyFour1 So now you decided to derail HK topic to 1989 suddenly. I don't need kids to tell me that story. Because it's in history books already. I even know some details about it. Not only some ctrl-c, ctrl-v. Initially it was a peaceful protest. And army did nothing. Then someone instigated those students to go for more violent stuff. Blood was spilt, but even then army didn't do a shit just yet. A few people got killed and then they started to attack soldiers, soldiers opened fire, tanks were rolling and and the whole thing quickly escalated a bloody mess. Army sure overreacted and used excessive force. Also i know that China got severe UN level sanctions for that. For a looong time. Also current government got literally nothing to do with that - most people who were giving orders are either dead now or enjoying their pension.

Also i've seen in all the years since then how same shit happened in many countries - initially peaceful protest being artificially heated up to some bloody shit and then either government shoot them all killing even stupid kids who were just waving flags there and either it ends with just protesters and some policemen/soldiers dead or it leads to a civil war shitshow with hundreds of thousands people dead. Latter being the third party plan ofc.

Now back to topic of HK i was talking about. Only local police was dealing with protesters. No journalists were killed by accident, let alone executed. No thousands of dead protesters either. And no UN level sanctions.

So if there's an idiot he'll be in your mirror.
Post edited December 19, 2020 by Thunderbringer
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kohlrak: Taxation and teargas are a far cry from shooting unarmed citizens. Even as bad as Waco was, there's still some plausible deniability there that the US government can cling to. But China? Common. It's not about a generalized "human atrocities," but specific ones that we don't accept. Even the US government at least allows us to discuss Waco, Japanese concentration camps, etc.
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rjbuffchix: It's not as far a cry as you think, at least if you're willing to honestly and intellectually engage with these topics. As, the fact that some oppression is arguably less bad than others, doesn't cancel out it being oppression. Consider too there were victims of slavery who viewed their masters as kind and I'm sure they also engaged in rationalizations like how "at least here it's not like how it is over there" on another plantation.

If you (not you personally, anyone) are going to boycott GOG because of delisting this game, in the name of standing against oppression, cool, but there is a lot more to consider in your daily life. That's what is... annoying? For lack of a better word. Most if not all of you here are posturing as though you universally stand against oppression when in reality you fashionably stand against some select examples of oppression.

The cherry on the cake is that us loyal customers are in danger of losing the only viable DRM-free store around, just because people want to politically posture for perceived social points. Very ironically, they will also criticize countries that have a system of literal social points. You can't make this stuff up. It should be a short story or something.
Just wanted to say I couldn't agree more with you. Your post is going to be voted down soon by the way. The forums are turning into hivemind.
Post edited December 20, 2020 by SuperLibby72
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pds41: Has OP managed to come up with any actual evidence yet?

Visa and Mastercard are just the payment handlers; their only concern is whether the items that they're processing are legal in the countries they're selling into. Nothing in Devotion is illegal in the Western World (and strictly speaking, it's not illegal in "mainland China" either).

The Pornhub thing was around the allegations of depiction of illegal activity and uploads onto that part of the MindGeek empire. The illegality in question was something that's illegal across the Western World (where GoG is registered) and probably in Russia as well (where OP is based). It was also illegal where poster 3 was based (Germany).

So, without actual evidence, I don't think you can blame the "banks" (note that Visa and Mastercard aren't banks), or anyone but GoG and the "Many Gamers".
Paypal's internal structure has ties to VISA's internal structure. Some employees of one are former employees of the other, and Paypal itself notoriously over-extends it's authority, and not just on legal matters. However, i can't prove that means anything for VISA as this become circumstantial.

My guess is, because of the fear surrounding VISA and Mastercard, this situation with PornHub gave the two a chance to fire a shot off the bowel with plausible deniability for their motives: enough to scare us of what they can do, while simultaneously giving them a way out if someone tried to open an investigation. I've noticed the higher your social status (and i'm pretty low), the more you see hedonism. Therefore, if I imagine the effect i've described earlier is magnified for them, so they're very aware the majority of stuff on pornhub was consentual.

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SuperLibby72: Just wanted to say I couldn't agree more with you. Your post is going to be voted down soon by the way. The forums are trying into hivemind.
It's this issue in particular. I'm seeing people who are on the same side as me on this issue, who are making snide remarks that demonstrate they have no idea that half the people they're agreeing with would not be on their side if we were talking about any other issue.