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Posted July 11, 2015
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Gede: The developer says there IS DRM in the game and it WILL STAY that way. GOG said the game was DRM FREE, then said "OK, problem fixed", then said "no, NOW it will be gone any day now".

Of course, we can go to some lengths interpreting these statements. "This can't be removed" means "we won't remove it" and "DRM free" can be read as "it may contain traces of DRM, but they should be harmless". For some reason they never clarify what it truly means, and of course it is on purpose.

Now, I could live with a pre-entered CD key. But can I really trust that that DRM won't bite me on the future? If I ever click on "multiplayer", will my single player ability be at risk?

I guess GOG would say "No! Of course not! We don't have DRM on the games we sell!" Introversion would say "That sort of thing only happens to pirates! Shame on you for asking. What is on your mind? You wouldn't steal a car now, would you?"
Did you ask them that question in regards to Defcon in general, or in regards to GOG's Defcon build?
Post edited July 11, 2015 by Grargar
Posted July 11, 2015
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DeathDiciple: Just what the fuck is 'minimal DRM' now? How the hell can 'a key' be integral to single player game?...
It's minimal, yet integral and most important is irremovable. The guy who wrote this message must have been drunk when writing it.

But I thought GOG fixed it? Or are they still selling a game with DRM and avertise it as without DRM? I mean wouldn't this be fraud? I'm confused.
Post edited July 11, 2015 by Trilarion
Posted July 11, 2015
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DeathDiciple: Just what the fuck is 'minimal DRM' now? How the hell can 'a key' be integral to single player game?...
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Trilarion: It's minimal, yet integral and most important is irremovable. The guy who wrote this message must have been drunk when writing it.

But I thought GOG fixed it? Or are they still selling a game with DRM and avertise it as without DRM? I mean wouldn't this be fraud? I'm confused.
All seem to be confused. And not a blue in sight.

I for one will be assuming this is a DRM game being sold on Gog. Massive implications ensue.

Until I hear otherwise, I will not be purchasing anything more from Gog.
Posted July 11, 2015
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Gede: Surprise! I got a reply from Itroversion!

[i]Hi,

There is minimal DRM in defcon. It does require a key that is integral to the game. Unfortunately this can't be removed. Sorry.

Kind regards

This contradicts GOG. Where do we stand, now?
There is still no Linux version upgrade.
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EDIT: Odd. Why does the itatlics show up, instead of affecting the font?
I have the same question as Grargar, did you specifically ask about the GOG version. Also this seems to be from a support person, but support people are generally robots who just send on blanket statements, you could have gotten one who really put no effort or thought into what he (or she) was saying and is using that as a blanket statement for Defcon in general.

GOG says the DRM is removed (ie the phoning home) and SirPrimalform said he has verified that is no longer does if you use the single player shortcut. Seems to be fixed & DRM free, not sure why were still trying to make this out to not be true. Using a pre-activated key is fine.
Post edited July 11, 2015 by BKGaming
Posted July 11, 2015
I gues it's still an issue for some, since there's been no update for the linux version yet. And there's no official statement from gog that this is fixed now for real and won't happen again.
For me it's no problem at the moment. I got a full refund for defcon and have all the time in the world to wait for it to be fully fixed before thinking about repurchasing it.
As for all the other games I've got no problem at all with shopping at gog. Just not defcon as it stands right now. :)
Posted July 11, 2015
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Trilarion: It's minimal, yet integral and most important is irremovable. The guy who wrote this message must have been drunk when writing it.

But I thought GOG fixed it? Or are they still selling a game with DRM and avertise it as without DRM? I mean wouldn't this be fraud? I'm confused.
I guess it was written by some PR not a dev, that's why it sounds like drunken nonsense. The statement is scary tho, as it shows no intent of fixing the issue. But I share your confusion, considering the few updates gog had pushed through with changelogs being highly ambiguous/missing, and no official blue posting what exactly happened.
Posted July 11, 2015
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mchack: I gues it's still an issue for some, since there's been no update for the linux version yet. And there's no official statement from gog that this is fixed now for real and won't happen again.
If they said that the issue is fixed for real, then what will happen when someone points out that the problem persists in the Linux version?
Posted July 11, 2015
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mchack: I gues it's still an issue for some, since there's been no update for the linux version yet. And there's no official statement from gog that this is fixed now for real and won't happen again.
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Grargar: If they said that the issue is fixed for real, then what will happen when someone points out that the problem persists in the Linux version?
All the linux users get sent to a work camp guarded by horny GOGbears?
Posted July 11, 2015
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Grargar: If they said that the issue is fixed for real, then what will happen when someone points out that the problem persists in the Linux version?
Don’t worry, GOG is well aware that you don’t mess with Linux users ;)
I’d guess we’ve seen no official announcement yet because they want to have all three versions fixed before committing to anything.
Posted July 11, 2015
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Grargar: If they said that the issue is fixed for real, then what will happen when someone points out that the problem persists in the Linux version?
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vv221: Don’t worry, GOG is well aware that you don’t mess with Linux users ;)
I’d guess we’ve seen no official announcement yet because they want to have all three versions fixed before committing to anything.
I too wonder if they are waiting for all versions to be updated and then will declare it DRM-free once and for all.
Yet I feel it is more likely that they have contacted the developers and got the game back down the right path, so now they wish to simply ignore this whole fiasco and pretend this never even occurred.
Posted July 12, 2015
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Gede: Surprise! I got a reply from Itroversion!

Hi,

There is minimal DRM in defcon. It does require a key that is integral to the game. Unfortunately this can't be removed. Sorry.

Kind regards
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Gede:
Well, as others have stated, this is a false claim. The DRM can *obviously* be removed, so they are lying.
What they mean is "we won't remove it".

They could be interpreting this request as relating to the version they sell directly, in which case that's their choice of course, but they can't legitimately make that choice while working with a store that is explicitly DRM-free.

However, the lying is enough to put Introversion into the "do not buy" pile, for me.
Posted July 13, 2015
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Grargar: Did you ask them that question in regards to Defcon in general, or in regards to GOG's Defcon build?
You are correct in asking that question, as it is relevant. Here is the body of the message I have sent them:

Hello.
I purchased DEFCON from GOG recently. It just came to my attention that DEFCON is not DRM-free, as was advertised. It was stated that Introversion was working on a fix.
My question is this: will you fix it soon, so that it will not "phone home" to authenticate my copy of the game just to play a single-player game, or do I have to ask for a refund?
If I knew there was such DRM in it, I would not have purchased it in the first place. It saddens me because I was an Introversion fan until recently.

EDIT: fixed italics.
Post edited July 13, 2015 by Gede
Posted July 13, 2015
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Gede: You are correct in asking that question, as it is relevant. Here is the body of the message I have sent them:

Hello.
I purchased DEFCON from GOG recently. It just came to my attention that DEFCON is not DRM-free, as was advertised. It was stated that Introversion was working on a fix.
My question is this: will you fix it soon, so that it will not "phone home" to authenticate my copy of the game just to play a single-player game, or do I have to ask for a refund?
If I knew there was such DRM in it, I would not have purchased it in the first place. It saddens me because I was an Introversion fan until recently.

EDIT: fixed italics.
Wow ok. And their response to that was basically "no, we won't remove the DRM". Did you reply explaining anything about GOG?
Posted July 13, 2015
Minimal or not, it's DRM and in case they didn't get the memo yet, this is a DRM-Free store. I see no reason why the game should be still sold here.

If GOG tolerates this, then what next? I'd rather not see this store being defiled by hidden DRM in games, minimal or not.
Post edited July 13, 2015 by Ganni1987
Posted July 13, 2015
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SirPrimalform: Wow ok. And their response to that was basically "no, we won't remove the DRM". Did you reply explaining anything about GOG?
No, I have not pursued this matter any more since, from their reply, they do not sound much inclined to discuss this matter.
IMHO, this is where GOG would step in. Introversion Software never said their game had no DRM. I think they are in their right to say "we won't do it".

If the multiplayer version is still exposed to an online key check, I think the game page should display a note saying that part of the game may require a key activation, as I seem to recall seeing in other games. I enjoy seeing GOG being honest when mentioning that some games no longer have any multiplayer value. Then their costumers can make an educated decision.
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