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Posted November 18, 2025
LURKS WITHIN WALLS is a tense survival horror game that combines modern dungeon-crawling RPG with fast-paced turn-based combat – and it’s coming soon on GOG!

A building under quarantine. Residents isolated. Those who failed to isolate themselves now stagger through the corridors, contaminated. But it's not just the infected residents, the darkness conceals other anomalies. It feels like the building itself is alive.

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Posted November 19, 2025
Looks good tbh!
Love horror and wish we had more on GOG to pick from in that genre, so looking forward to this one. Also b/c I havent really played any turn based ones b4 but this one looks interesting.
Posted November 19, 2025
Where's 'Beyond Hanwell' GOG? I played the demo for that one and it's very intense.
Posted November 19, 2025
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dnovraD: That's a great name for an Argonian, but I'm also going to call doubt on the horror themes, too.

It also sounds like a surrogate (derogatory) version of Look Outside. https://www.gog.com/dreamlist/game/look-outside

Cmon, GOG. Quit fumbling the bag.
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TheGrimLord: The dev doesn't seem to want it there and likely hasn't submitted. The game is natively DRM-Free on Steam. Just buy it there and pull the folder out of commonapps, then you can turn Steam off and play with no DRM. There's a lot of devs like this. For example 20xx and 30xx are the same way. Natively DRM-Free and can be played offline or without the Steam client. The dev just doesn't want to submit them. Talked to him personally about it. Can you really blame devs for not putting their games on DRM-Free stores when their games are DRM-Free on Steam?
Because they'll never get a better share if there's a monopoly?
Posted November 19, 2025
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mqstout: Also, "horror" is questionable. Maybe horror-inspired and gore-filled, but an important part of horror is usually that you can't fight back.
I mean... is it?
Post edited November 19, 2025 by Breja
Posted November 19, 2025
"Modern dungeon crawling" - limited to a grid.
I feel like you only get to pick one...

Still doing grid based dungeon crawlers when Might & Magic VI with free movement came out 27 years ago. Guess I got too spoiled by M&M 6-9, but I really can't see the appeal in any dungeons limited to the 4 cardinal directions since then.
Post edited November 19, 2025 by idbeholdME
Posted November 19, 2025
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idbeholdME: "Modern dungeon crawling" - limited to a grid.
I feel like you only get to pick one...

Still doing grid based dungeon crawlers when Might & Magic VI with free movement came out 27 years ago. Guess I got too spoiled by M&M 6-9, but I really can't see the appeal in any dungeons limited to the 4 cardinal directions since then.
Legend of Grimrock, which basically resurrected dungeoncrawlers for the modern era, was grid based. I actually vastly prefer grid based crawlers. Partly because it makes it a bit reminiscent of a tabletop game, where the crawlers originated, after all, and partly because it gives the exploration and combat more "structure".
Post edited November 19, 2025 by Breja
Posted November 19, 2025
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Breja: and partly because it gives the exploration and combat more "structure".
But it also greatly limits the variabilty of scenarios I feel.
Post edited November 19, 2025 by idbeholdME
Posted November 19, 2025
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Breja: and partly because it gives the exploration and combat more "structure".
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idbeholdME: But it also greatly limits the variabilty of scenarios I feel.
There's advantages to both I guess. End of the day, I simply prefer how grid based crawlers feel, if that makes sense. I guess it's a bit like some people prefere an old-school verb-based interface in point & clicks.

Best case scenario is something like Bard's Tale 4 , which made grid-based optional.
Posted November 19, 2025
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TheGrimLord: The dev doesn't seem to want it there and likely hasn't submitted. The game is natively DRM-Free on Steam. Just buy it there and pull the folder out of commonapps, then you can turn Steam off and play with no DRM. There's a lot of devs like this. For example 20xx and 30xx are the same way. Natively DRM-Free and can be played offline or without the Steam client. The dev just doesn't want to submit them. Talked to him personally about it. Can you really blame devs for not putting their games on DRM-Free stores when their games are DRM-Free on Steam?
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Zoidberg: Because they'll never get a better share if there's a monopoly?
But there is a Monopoly. I just asked the dev of that game if he would bring it to GOG. No reply from him but I did get a reply from a user who asked why. That user got seven likes on that comment. Steam users think if a game is already DRM-Free we shouldn't be complaining and we should get it there. Okay, fine. Since the Demonschool devs are dragging their heels I'm betting there isn't a DRM on that game either, so I'll just pick it up on Steam.
Posted November 19, 2025
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TheGrimLord: The dev doesn't seem to want it there and likely hasn't submitted. The game is natively DRM-Free on Steam. Just buy it there and pull the folder out of commonapps, then you can turn Steam off and play with no DRM. There's a lot of devs like this. For example 20xx and 30xx are the same way. Natively DRM-Free and can be played offline or without the Steam client. The dev just doesn't want to submit them. Talked to him personally about it. Can you really blame devs for not putting their games on DRM-Free stores when their games are DRM-Free on Steam?
This is a terrible take. Even HAVING a Steam account reinforces their platform and harms gaming. And you're saying to give Valve money. And to reward them for their anti-consumer practices.

And that's aside the developers who clearly have it out for potential customers.

Every transaction on Steam is a reinforcement avowing, "I wish gaming were as shitty as it could be and I am striving to make things worse!"
Posted November 19, 2025
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TheGrimLord: The dev doesn't seem to want it there and likely hasn't submitted. The game is natively DRM-Free on Steam. Just buy it there and pull the folder out of commonapps, then you can turn Steam off and play with no DRM. There's a lot of devs like this. For example 20xx and 30xx are the same way. Natively DRM-Free and can be played offline or without the Steam client. The dev just doesn't want to submit them. Talked to him personally about it. Can you really blame devs for not putting their games on DRM-Free stores when their games are DRM-Free on Steam?
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mqstout: This is a terrible take. Even HAVING a Steam account reinforces their platform and harms gaming. And you're saying to give Valve money. And to reward them for their anti-consumer practices.

And that's aside the developers who clearly have it out for potential customers.

Every transaction on Steam is a reinforcement avowing, "I wish gaming were as shitty as it could be and I am striving to make things worse!"
So the point is, it's DRM-Free. IE: Not locked down to Steam. I can buy a copy of Demonschool right now there and pull the folder right out of the steam folder on my PC. Then I can completely turn off Steam, Turn off my internet connection entirely and play the game. That in my mind is DRM-Free. Do I like Steam? no, not generally. Especially when it uses Steam DRM and Denuvo. But that game has neither. And most AVN adult games don't either. Same with most eroge. No DRM. There's a lot of games I enjoy that have no DRM whatsoever so if they're not going to come to GOG or there's some weird holdup and I'm not getting it day one, damn right I'm going to Steam for a DRM-FREE release.

And as much you get upset, there's no way you're overthrowing the PC monopoly that is Steam. You just aren't going to do it. I love when Steam DRM or Denuvo-less games are coming to GOG and will buy those every chance I get. But if for some reason a dev or publisher simply can't be arsed to release their DRM-Free game on steam or make me wait months later, than yeah - Steam it is. Maybe I'll double dip on a deep discount for GOG. Also we ALL know that GOG makes it's most money when they release really old games as part of their PP or something big like Indiana Jones. That's where the money is coming from. Not all the indies unless you're freaking Silksong. Demonschool and Neon Inferno (tomorrow) aren't going to make GOG rich. I'm tired of waiting and being treated like a second class citizen. No Tormented Souls 2 yet, no Demonschool on day one, I may as well just go to steam for those. The stuff that Steam bans, yeah I'll buy it here. I don't really have brand loyalty anymore because somehow or another things don't work out like they used to. It's a big question. Steam's playing it now. Why the hell do I have to wait? When people do cool things, I reward them with the little cash I have. When they don't, I simply move to that which does something cool. Maybe it's Steam, maybe it's itch, maybe it's Jast maybe it's MG or Kagura, DLSite, whoever - Whoever releases the cool thing on DAY ONE is getting my money. Customers want what they want NOW. I've worked in US retail for almost ten years of my life. If you don't have it, they'll go get it somewhere else.
Post edited November 19, 2025 by TheGrimLord
Posted November 19, 2025
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mqstout: This is a terrible take. Even HAVING a Steam account reinforces their platform and harms gaming. And you're saying to give Valve money. And to reward them for their anti-consumer practices.

And that's aside the developers who clearly have it out for potential customers.

Every transaction on Steam is a reinforcement avowing, "I wish gaming were as shitty as it could be and I am striving to make things worse!"
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TheGrimLord: So the point is, it's DRM-Free
No. The point is every penny that makes its way into Values coffers and every transaction that occurs on the Steam platform is a vote in favor of DRM and otherwise anti-consumer policies. If someone enjoys PC gaming, they should not utilize Steam in any way, ever. Doing so is self-harming and defeatist.

(The rest of your words are irrelevant.)
Post edited November 19, 2025 by mqstout
Posted November 20, 2025
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TheGrimLord: I don't really have brand loyalty anymore because somehow or another things don't work out like they used to.
Are talking about the direction GOG has taken, or what specifically?
Posted November 20, 2025
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TheGrimLord: So the point is, it's DRM-Free
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mqstout: No. The point is every penny that makes its way into Values coffers and every transaction that occurs on the Steam platform is a vote in favor of DRM and otherwise anti-consumer policies. If someone enjoys PC gaming, they should not utilize Steam in any way, ever. Doing so is self-harming and defeatist.

(The rest of your words are irrelevant.)
Mate, you can't stop the train. The only way that people leave Steam is if Valve makes a really, really, really bad fuck up. And I think they've yet to do that. DRM-FREE IS DRM-FREE, know what I mean, Vern?
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TheGrimLord: I don't really have brand loyalty anymore because somehow or another things don't work out like they used to.
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tfishell: Are talking about the direction GOG has taken, or what specifically?
Without getting into specifics, I think they've been stretched a bit too thin. The thinner they're stretched out, the less things happen on time. I kinda see how the formula works now, they'll always give a few games priority and some of the others have to wait a bit. Sponge Bob was a much bigger release so Demonschool had to wait. Like, I get it. I just don't want to have to wait for some smaller games. If it wasn't DRM-Free, I'd be like "no big deal" but it is, so I'm gonna pick it up somewhere else. Usually I'm a bit more patient with them though.
Post edited November 20, 2025 by TheGrimLord
Posted November 20, 2025
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TheGrimLord: ... Whoever releases the cool thing on DAY ONE is getting my money. Customers want what they want NOW. I've worked in US retail for almost ten years of my life. If you don't have it, they'll go get it somewhere else.
Sadly, this is the attitude of most gamers.
It's the attitude that keeps Steam on top of the heap.
And it's the attitude that keeps gog from getting many games on day one.

And it's frustrating because it doesn't need to be this way.
If most gamers would put their foot down and refuse to buy from any store that required a client to run many of its games, gog would flourish.

Unfortunately, the reality is that gamers want the latest thing immediately, and will thus buy it with all kinds of DRM if they have to so they can play it right now.

Yes, the game you mention can be played DRM-free on Steam, but the fact that so many people are willing to buy from a DRM-friendly store simply makes it much more likely that DRM-free stores like gog may never get it, or that if they do, it will be months or even years later.
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