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morolf: And only a few years after '45 Highlanders started serving with distinction in Britain's colonial wars. So in the end it all turned out pretty well.
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Breja: Oh yeah, the "distinction" of spreading the "civilisation by force".

No. Just no. I hold the very idea of there being anything noble or necessary about colonialism or "civilising" other people by force in highiest contempt. And given my policy (that I brake way too often as it is) of not engaging in serious socio-political discussions on the internet I think that's it for me here.
"Civilization", in reality, means pacification, which isn't all that bad, really -- unless you're on the receiving end.
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Tarm: So it wasn't only I that thought a death threat involving suicide by self cannibalism was a bit strange. :P
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jamyskis: I thought it was a simple statement of fact. I can't imagine too many people surviving after eating shit.
As most things it would probably depend on the amount. ;)
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Tarm: So it wasn't only I that thought a death threat involving suicide by self cannibalism was a bit strange. :P
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jamyskis: I thought it was a simple statement of fact. I can't imagine too many people surviving after eating shit.
I realize I shouldn't be here because I'm not from Europe, but people and animals eat shit all the time. While I doubt it's healthy, I'm pretty sure it's not fatal.
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tinyE: [
I realize I shouldn't be here because I'm not from Europe, but people and animals eat shit all the time. While I doubt it's healthy, I'm pretty sure it's not fatal.
What kind of people eat shit "all the time" (apart maybe from some SM perverts)?
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Tarm: So it wasn't only I that thought a death threat involving suicide by self cannibalism was a bit strange. :P
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jamyskis: I thought it was a simple statement of fact. I can't imagine too many people surviving after eating shit.
If watching telly isn't fatal, I can't imagine that eating poo would be.
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tinyE: [
I realize I shouldn't be here because I'm not from Europe, but people and animals eat shit all the time. While I doubt it's healthy, I'm pretty sure it's not fatal.
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morolf: (apart maybe from some SM perverts)?
Exactly.
And I refuse to take the blame for this derail.

It's Irina's fault up there.
Post edited June 17, 2016 by tinyE
Remind me again how the debate went from Brexit to Jo Cox to coprophagia?
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jamyskis: Remind me again how the debate went from Brexit to Jo Cox to coprophagia?
Which brings us round to Hitler. Godwin's law wins again. lol
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morolf: (apart maybe from some SM perverts)?
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tinyE: Exactly.
And I refuse to take the blame for this derail.

It's Irina's fault up there.
Given that political discussions around here seem to get rather "intense", maybe derailing the thread isn't actually a bad idea?
Do you know any people who regularly eat shit?
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Mnemon: I lived in the UK for 10 years until last summer, then moved back to Germany. I fear for the internal politics and landscape of the UK should it leave the EU. Those really leading the push for leave are so much worse, still, then the current government.

And I despair at just how ridiculous and simplistic the whole debate is; where far there's so little fact based; so much blamed on the external organisation that actually has been internal social and political problems that have been festering for decades, all now blamed on the EU.

I am of course also an environmentalist - and just seeing what we face here - how much we need cooperation between states to even have a tiny chance to prevent some of the damage coming our way isolationism and petty nationalism just really ought to have had its day. Keep your culture but stop that silly notion that independence can be a thing. Interdependence and common direction is so much more necessary now then ever.

I fear for the mood within the UK. Many of the people I do care about will have - and already have - such a hard stance in what is now a solidly split society.
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jamyskis: As a fellow channel hopper who studied in the UK and spent my childhood hopping back and forth between the UK and Germany (dual passport holder here with mixed heritage), you can probably then understand the unique perspective of someone who has experienced both British and German everyday life up close and personal, and the very bizarre relationship that the British public has with the tabloid press as seen from an "outsider's" perspective.

In Germany, we basically have one tabloid of note - Bild - and beyond the frequent sensationalism, even that refrains from taking a singular political standpoint. Even the least educated among Germans are largely aware that Bild is not to be taken seriously. Contrast that with the British, and you find that even the middle classes there seem to take a remarkable amount of what they see in papers like the Daily Mail at face value.

That's where a lot of the anti-EU sentiment has come from - while the broadsheet market in the UK is fairly evenly split between left and right-wing (and only the Telegraph really taking a firmly pro-Brexit stance), all of the tabloids are firmly at various points on the right-wing - there's little balanced reporting in the printed press for the working or middle classes.
I don't quite have the insight that you had, but I've made it a habbit to keep up with the news out of the UK. I've had the impression that certain publication just get away with some unbelievable misinformation, some half-truths and some of it just being objectively false. In turn a lot of people seem (without being condescending here) uninformed about basic terminology and workings of the EU. No matter which way one wants to vote or one's opinion of the EU, just a week away from a crucial vote, that is cause for concern.
Post edited June 17, 2016 by k4ZE106
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The problems that plague Europe are kind of like the ones we have in the United States. Globalism and international screw-you agreements done in the name of "trade" or "unity." Ours comes in the form of NAFTA (courtesy of the traitor Bill Clinton who lied about his stance when he was still a presidential candidate in 1992), these one-sided trade deals with mainland China, and other deals like the TPP which now has "fast track" that will give the president dictatorial powers over foreign trade.

If I was citizen in the UK, I would vote to abandon the EU especially with the crap Chancellor "Angie" Merkel has been pulling off on both her own country with these third world degenerate migrants masquerading as refugees and the rest of Europe. Plus, the EU seems to give its members a direct say on the internal matters of other countries thereby undermining sovereignty and the people of such countries. I have seen complaints made by UK citizens like how they did not choose to have their job opportunities taken away by migrants or how they did not choose to have a flood of third world migrants showing up and getting benefits at taxpayer expense when such migrants did not pay even a penny towards it. I would definitely be apart of UKIP if I was a UK citizen.

By the way, the guy who supposedly killed that Labor Party politician Jo Cox has given me hope for the people of the UK. It was way more effective than voting that is for sure. The old saying claims that if voting made a difference, "they'd make it illegal" which is no wonder assassinations are illegal as well as military revolts.
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infinite9: The problems that plague Europe are kind of like the ones we have in the United States. Globalism and international screw-you agreements done in the name of "trade" or "unity." Ours comes in the form of NAFTA (courtesy of the traitor Bill Clinton who lied about his stance when he was still a presidential candidate in 1992), these one-sided trade deals with mainland China, and other deals like the TPP which now has "fast track" that will give the president dictatorial powers over foreign trade.

If I was citizen in the UK, I would vote to abandon the EU especially with the crap Chancellor "Angie" Merkel has been pulling off on both her own country with these third world degenerate migrants masquerading as refugees and the rest of Europe. Plus, the EU seems to give its members a direct say on the internal matters of other countries thereby undermining sovereignty and the people of such countries. I have seen complaints made by UK citizens like how they did not choose to have their job opportunities taken away by migrants or how they did not choose to have a flood of third world migrants showing up and getting benefits at taxpayer expense when such migrants did not pay even a penny towards it. I would definitely be apart of UKIP if I was a UK citizen.

By the way, the guy who supposedly killed that Labor Party politician Jo Cox has given me hope for the people of the UK. It was way more effective than voting that is for sure. The old saying claims that if voting made a difference, "they'd make it illegal" which is no wonder assassinations are illegal as well as military revolts.
Here we go again.
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infinite9: By the way, the guy who supposedly killed that Labor Party politician Jo Cox has given me hope for the people of the UK. It was way more effective than voting that is for sure. The old saying claims that if voting made a difference, "they'd make it illegal" which is no wonder assassinations are illegal as well as military revolts.
Man, seriously, I actually agree with some of your opinions (though definitely not all of them...your racism and antisemitism is really somewhat too extreme), but you're basically advocating for murder...not acceptable. And on a practical level, incidents like yesterday's assasination will be counter-productive for right-wing movements since it seemingly confirms the establishment's view of right-wingers as fascist thugs.
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Why did the UK joined the EU in the first place.

There was a time in my ignorance that I thought the UK was the only nation that was not a member of the EU even when the EU existed from the beginning.

(Probably because the UK still used pounds while the rest used the euro)
Post edited June 17, 2016 by Elmofongo
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morolf: In general I'd actually agree with you about that, imperialism generally is a bad idea and morally corrupting. Though concerning the Scottish highlanders in the 18th century harsh measures were probably necessary...they were a grave security threat.
Possibly, but I would not call pacification "civilising". But that really is a comlpex discussion I don't think I want to have here, and in all honesty I don't think I'm equipped to have right now- my knowledge of the subject matter may be above-average (at least for someone from my part of the world) but surely is not enough to discuss and judge complex issues. I was not passing judgement one way on the other on the Jacobite uprisings and the following reprisals, simply pointing out that they happened, as the fact was omitted in someones post before.