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fronzelneekburm: - Get rid of the horrendous chatbot! Also, seriously, how long is gog support going to be overburdened with requests? Just a short time ago, gog support was second to none, whereas today it seems nonexistant and the only way to get a staffer on the line seems to be bitching about your ticket taking forever on the forum (because, for as overburdened as they are, they curiously still have enough time to swoop in and lock threads critical of gog's support in a fraction of a nanosecond. One of the perks of doubletasking support staffers with forum moderation... (more on that later)
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randomuser.833: As long as Corona is sending them into home office (I know, there is no Corona in your home country or you are not even allowed to leave your flat - or are you just another one of this sorry "political fun guys")
But what kind of Chat Bot? It is an automated answer to an email. Everyone who did more with email then just pressing mindlessly "send" knows how that work.
Answer and a human will take over instandly....
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fronzelneekburm: - gog is bleeding money all over the place and (according to some news piece I read about it) their main takeaway seems to be that they need to concentrate on being a curated store, which filled me with complete and utter horror, as gog‘s "curation" has been a massive joke (at our expense) for some time now. I mean, hell, they still haven‘t released Hatred, despite 5000+ (!) votes on the wishlist. But I hear Zoom Platform has a DRM-free release in the works...
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randomuser.833: Yeah right...
We are getting closer to the core of the truth here...
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fronzelneekburm: - MAKE GOG FORUM GREAT AGAIN! Rescind the idiotic "no politix" rule (which is all the more absurd due to gog merrily putting out shoddy agitprop indie crap with some regularity - which the mods will then forbid you from discussing). Back in the ole days, you could call out idiot users on their idiocy. Now they'll report you and you get a ban, while the idiots stand unchallenged. All the civilised folk left ages ago and gog's staff manages to even take the fun out of a dumpster fire. Not having to moderate the forums would also lift some of that heavy burden off the backs of the support staff and let them do their actual work instead.
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randomuser.833: And there we are.

GoG is not following your own political agenda.
Nothing else does matter here for you.

And hey, at the same time computer sabotage is called out in this thread.

Hooray to the boycotters. Just show us more of your calm wisdom.
To be fair the no politics rule is a double standard and blatant when Gog even recently legt allowed a game thats while fictional heavily based on US conspiracy beliefs of Donald's Trumps campaign even the year for the advent make it even more clear and worse thing is as far as I have found seems to be a common bug from looking around which is that the game it stops works after a regular US presidency term happens So um ya despite I disagree with how fronzelneekbum put it but a game proof of double standards is here ... this game and its setting https://www.gog.com/game/this_is_the_president as do to what US users for sure can blatantly see as legit political pushing for one side .. a doublestand needs to end or to just do away with ''no politics'' rule

Note not being political just calling out the fact is that GOG clearly needs to equal enforce the rules on themselves and the store content aswell as users or to just drop the rule as I gave a prime example why the rule needs to either be enforced equally or dropped all together
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Wolf904: I don't care if GOG goes bankrupt tomorrow.

Buy all my games on Steam and EGS these days anyway... Just here so the angry GOG fanboys have another post to downvote, because they have no lives and it's the only excitement their sad lives get. XD
why are you boycotting specifically
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fronzelneekburm: People who are sympathetic to the concept:
Feel free to add me to this list, when you get online and see this post.

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Ancient-Red-Dragon: I'm all for there being a "Boycotting GOG 2022" thread, but this one cannot be it, because it breaks the forum rules in the OP (i.e. personally attacking other users, and marking a thread as a question which isn't actually a question).
Marking a thread in such a manner isn't against the tos/coc, and jokingly calling a person a shill isn't a personal attk.

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BanditKeith2: As far as I am aware people used to get warnings and quite possible temp bans for mentioning Zoom Platform in a positive or neutral way.. Hell Mods even in the Hitman Game of the year thread edited someones post for bringing up how some of the games that Zoom platform have more complete versions of games then are here .. ya I ain't kidding I would need to hunt in it for the page it happened but ya mods did do that but left bits of that one factor in
Not gonna get into it here(for obv. reasons), but that was me.......I posted a link to the zoom platform Postal collection, along with a list of the collection's contents.
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Ancient-Red-Dragon: marking a thread as a question which isn't actually a question
Woah, woah, woah, hol' up! That is an actual violation of forum rules?! 90% of posts get raped with low ratings but a little good-fun rep boosting is verboten?

Verily, no fun allowed. [modded by Framboos]
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Ancient-Red-Dragon: or else another poster who is going to present the OP of that thread in a professional manner
Boycotting video gaemz sellers is srs business!

I'm sorry that my mask of solemnity has slipped.

You see...

I used to think that what happened to this place was a tragedy...

but now I realize...

it's a fucking comedy.
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Ancient-Red-Dragon: Therefore, Time4Tea must be the one the continue the boycott with a new 2022 boycotting thread
He's welcome to it.

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Time4Tea: snip
Time4Tea, just say the word and I'll ask for this thread to be locked and you can do your own! Or you can have discussion about in the other thread. There's no ego involved here, so I'll gladly back down and join the movment (not like gog release anything worthwhile anyway these days - though I might crack if Terminator Resistance goes on sale for 50+% or Underworld Ascendant is getting released here after all, but I consider the chances of that happening rather low).

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Post edited December 20, 2021 by Framboos
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On second thought, I think I may go ahead and contact a mod about locking this thread, as there is a good chance I get banned for saying "fuck" twice in a single post (or something stupid like that) and then I'll no longer be able to update the OP with new names. Which would suck and defeat the whole point.

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Time4Tea: snip
Just do me one favor: Open a 2022 thread and do it fast. Because having a VERY specific 2021 boycott thread be the hub for a 2022 boycott (and beyond) just won't do.

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randomuser.833: As long as Corona is sending them into home office
Wait, isn't home office supposed to make people more productive and stuff?

I guess someone forgot to tell gogstaff that home office doesn't consist of doing yoga and drinking herbal tea all day...

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randomuser.833: But what kind of Chat Bot?
Ah, it seems you haven't had the pleasure yet. Go to the support page (feel free to contact them by sending a deletion request for this thread) and you'll see what I mean.

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randomuser.833: Answer and a human will take over instandly....
If your idea of "instandly" is waiting for a couple of weeks, then sure. xD

^^I'm not gonna go over the rest of your, ahem, "points", but rest assured, I had a good, hearty chuckle! :-P

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Breja: This is like a GOG forum reenactment of the that People's Front of Judea bit from Life of Brian.
I want to be a woman. I want to have babies.
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timppu: Today I didn't buy a helicopter. I saved quite a bit of money there!

Overall, I partially boycott GOG. I buy only those GOG games that I like to have. The rest of the games: NO!
So, uhh, since this post can be interpreted in a variety of ways, I've put you down as "sympathetic to the concept". I hope that's ok.
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fronzelneekburm: Woah, woah, woah, hol' up! That is an actual violation of forum rules?!
As I said above in my first post: it isn't
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GamezRanker: they don't mod for rep manipulation
I mean, it SHOULD be fairly easy.

When I log out and log back in, the website somehow magically remembers which posts I hit the + and - buttons on. That information *is* there, it *is* being stored somewhere. So it should be feasible to pull that info and track down bad actors.

Then again, when I sent in a GDPR request last year, that particular info of was nowhere to be found in my dossier either (it did keep track of the helpful-votes I had left for reviews, though)
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fronzelneekburm: I mean, it SHOULD be fairly easy.

When I log out and log back in, the website somehow magically remembers which posts I hit the + and - buttons on. That information *is* there, it *is* being stored somewhere. So it should be feasible to pull that info and track down bad actors.

Then again, when I sent in a GDPR request last year, that particular info of was nowhere to be found in my dossier either (it did keep track of the helpful-votes I had left for reviews, though)
All I know is, they used to tell me (in PM) that they couldn't moderate for rep manipulation(prolly cuz supposedly no way to track it).

Of course, as I said: I reported a clear cut case awhile back(the other user even admitted it in a few posts), and I was told that Gog doesn't mod for such things......make of it what y'all will.

Anyhoo, gonna leave it at that for now....back to the main topic ;D
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fronzelneekburm: I‘m taking over for Time4Tea here. Over the course of the year, Time4Tea has turned into quite the ardent Zoom Platform shill, and while I sincerely appreciate the amusement I get out of people getting mad at him for shilling for Zoom, I do realise that there is somewhat of a conflict of interest here. Time4Tea should be free to shill for Zoom to his heart‘s content, without fear of making his boycott look like a cheap marketing stunt.
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Time4Tea: Hey man. It's obviously up to you to post what you like in the forum, but I think it's a shame that you feel the need to paint me as a 'Zoom Platform shill'. I don't think there have ever been any rules on the GOG forum against discussing other DRM-free stores and to me it makes sense that a group that is boycotting one particular business would discuss viable alternative options. I used to be a big fan of GOG, but they have driven me away through their poor direction and decisions over the past year and a half. As has been said many times in the other thread, I don't hate GOG and I don't want them to fail. The purpose of my own boycott is to try to encourage them to turn things around and stick to their DRM-free principles. I am going to buy some games from GOG in January, to cut them some slack.

Re. Zoom Platform etc.: I agree with you that it is a shame to see what seems to be a certain amount of 'tribalism' developing in the DRM-free community. My intention was/is not to stoke that, but I am very supportive of more options for consumers in the DRM-free market. For me, the ideal situation would be for there to be several 'good' options of DRM-free stores for people to be able to choose between (i.e. an actual free market). But, of course, given that GOG currently has quite a dominant slice of the DRM-free market, it stands to reason that they would need to give up some of their market share for that to happen. Is it inherently hateful of GOG, to want to see more genuine options in the DRM-free space?

Re. this thread: again, you are obviously perfectly entitled to post what you like and I can't stop you. Imo, it seems rather less 'focused' than the 2021 thread and it doesn't seem entirely clear what the boycott issues are here. I think it also would have been good to link to the 2021 thread, to maintain some more continuity.

Tbh, I feel like it also would have been nice to have discussed it more with the rest of the group who have been boycotting this year. So, what I propose to do is to hold a vote in the other thread, to see what people want to do - in terms of whether they want to go with your new thread or continue the old one, or whatever.
Im not boycotting, but Im accompanying the boycott because I believe it's motives are just.
Also, just wanted to say that your words express a maturity and conscience in the idea behind the boycott, so really, thanks for taking the time to write those words.
I hope the best for the DRM-Free market too...

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Offtopic:
The thread has been taken by down vote bots already. lol.
So all threads people don't agree with, they just put a downvoter script and that's it?
Wouldn't be easier for GOG to just get rid of the downvote completely?
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fronzelneekburm: People who are sympathetic to the concept:
Oh and Put me down on that as while I don't boycott persay .. I have vastly cut my spending here do to the crude that has been pulled more and more (though I won't deny them bringing in AO games and the patchs hosted here got me to up my spending abit given other storefronts have been cutting down on AO stuff ,having the Ao cut and only allowing off site patch restores ) Granted most of my spending has went to mostly dirt cheap sales anymore when I do buy from here most of the time as a result of what GOG has pulled regardless..
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fronzelneekburm: ***PLEASE NOTE! If you join the boycott, please include the words I'm in! in bolded letters. If you're sympathetic to the cause, please include the words I'm sympathetic! in bolded letters. Thank you and happy boycotting!***
I don't really understand the need to create a new list. Why don't you just copy the list as is from T4T's thread?

Why should something dramatic change between 31 December and 1 January?
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mrkgnao: Why should something dramatic change between 31 December and 1 January?
It's the end of the old year and beginning of a new one! :P
Just kidding, of course. Happy holidays. :)
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_Line: So all threads people don't agree with, they just put a downvoter script and that's it?
If by people you mean the (likely) few users who low rate on the regular, then yes.

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_Line: Wouldn't be easier for GOG to just get rid of the downvote completely?
Eh, it's not like it does anything besides put shiny red marks on posts....I think Gog should tend to much bigger issues first and foremost.
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mrkgnao: Why don't you just copy the list as is from T4T's thread?
I dunno, just copying people's names from last year's list just feels wrong. At the very least someone would have to ask each individual user if they're ok with being on the 2022 boycott list (and that someone is not going to be me).
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‏؜‏‏؜‏ Passive Boycott. Even if I was actively participating, I've not seen any compelling releases in several months, and the support of developers like Nicalis is not exactly bueno.

Problems:
The website is outdated as heck. Lots of things are broken. GOG released a new store page and I've yet to see it. There are paradigms that appear on this very forum that are obsolete conceits from the days of Web 2.0 such as the forum reputation system.

The Forum Code of Conduct don't match the games. Releasing porn games while pooh-pooh the discussion thereof? Frankly strange. Also makes the already absurdly tiny moderation team's job much harder.

Experiments have been conducted without the previous warning of users. Don't just drop things into our lap and act like we're supposed to be peachy with them.

Library management leaves much to be desired. Like a lack of a freesort or being able to mute updates from hidden games. Changelogs are practically cryptids that they're a rumour when one shows up.

UTF support is a bit tricky. GOG doesn't support emoji. That's sort of a problem which is trifling. But the bigger problem is instead of deleting the offending codepoint and returning an error, inserting invalid unicode will just bamf the remainder of a post into the void.؜ ؜You ever see what happens when you insert a few nonprintables on GOG?؜ I don't think GOG supports Hebrew or Arabic in any useful fashion.

Behold, the stones upon which reviews are set upon! Games are largely not static. On GOG, they used to be, but there's only so many millions of old shareware titles that GOG could bother to pick up. Point is, GOG now have games that change; and that means things can occur such as a developer who clicks tongue makes a complete mess of their bed, so to speak. Such as Forager's dev, Hopfrog. The "Solo indie darling" turned out to have been an uncredited team effort; and I can't edit my review to add that to my reflections. Speaking of stones, GOG treats the review system as a limited commodity; giving users an arbitrarily small number of characters of which to put their thoughts in.

VET THE RELEASES. In lay terms, I bequest of GOG to actually check the content of the games they're releasing. It shouldn't be up to us users to discover the violent hanging scene in No One Lives in Heaven, or the alleged rape scenes in many of the recent releases. MST3K discovered this the hard way to screen everything they are going to riff because Sidehackers (AKA: Five the Hard Way) contains a scene where one of the characters is raped and then killed.

The writers were unaware of the film's darker content when they selected it for the show, only watching it in its entirety during their usual joke-writing sessions. They were horrified to discover the scene in which Rommel's girlfriend Rita is raped and killed, juxtaposed with shots of Luke and Lois' children playfully roughhousing. This scene, and the discovery of Rita's nearly nude body, were removed from the episode.
That was back in the 1990s with a bunch of cowpokes from Minnesota. I presume GOG's crew is more in number and able to do this for titles which have not previously been though a ratings board; seeing as video playthoughs do exist in spades and getting in contact with a developer shouldn't be a tall order. (Even if some of them are absolute edgelords; getting them to reveal their hand should be easy; many like to brag about "offensive" content.)

Personal Problems:
؜GOG really has a streak for not hiring outside of Poland. This is a "I feel they're losing potental talent by not just hiring an eagar intern working in Germany and not having them commute several hours a day back and forth." sort of thing; whatever GOG saves in taxes from Poland's nationalistic policy is soured by a lack of global workforce. Who the heck is going to show up knowing three languages to do helpdesk support in French at the wages/benefits that Poland offers?

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Who the hell picks these؜‽ There are many a time when GOG has made a release that could be said to be a completely subpar game. Storybooks such as To the Moon, joyless experiences whose presence on the store is utterly baffling such as Grimoire: Heralds of the Winged Exemplar, and more insultingly, stillborn or dead games with no realistic chance of updating such as Block'hood.

There's more than two OSes. This is just me signifying my complaint about the absolutely apathy that GOG shows for Linux, but with a minor sidenote for things that weren't built on X86 processors like the Z80 or Motorola 68000.

I'm not a randy 14 year old. I don't mind pornography, or pornographic games. But I do have a semblance of standards, even if they're mostly lyrics to a Sir Mixalot song. Point is, not only is Sturgeon's Revelation in full effect, but finding games which mesh the two well is quite an undertaking. This relates to a point above.

Maybe "Coming Soon" is too generous a title. This relates to games which have been announced well ahead of any reasonable semblance of time which may yet only be a design document on a hermit's desk somewhere in the mountains of Nicaragua. Anticipation may be part of the fun, but I'm a bit old fashioned and prefer my games to be announced only when the absolute completion of code and localization can be ascertained; there are countless games which were previewed in Nintendo Power which never came to be simply because they never got localized.

Not Problems:
The Politics ban. It's clear that there are enough volatile elements within the forums as to render useful discussion a pointless endeavour; furthermore there are enough platforms to grandstand and soapbox upon. This is a games platform first and foremost. However, I would discourage GOG from releasing games which blatantly seek to slap us in the face on hot-button topics or are just modern political simulators.

No more movies. This endeavour was a mistake. Given the volatile nature of copyright, and the lack of titles befitting to a platform such as GOG, I would personally be fine if we all forgot it existed and the server space for these was reclaimed for Motocross Madness or something.
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