So in other words, it's not achievements themselves per se, but any
degree of difference in your view. Which then begs the question, what of features that are intrinsically online-account limited but have low-to-trivial gameplay relevance? e.g. Dragon Age Origin's option to upload a game journal to a Bioware forum account, cloud-based backup or, to quote a previous example, events triggered online
in Tales of Maj'Eyal? These features do
exist in the GOG version but require an online connection (and verification) to function. So does that count as "feature parity" in your book (presumably a plus) or "single player DRM" (presumably a minus)?
...Agreed, not the same but that post was the closest
to raising Achievements (prior to yours) - after all, pretty much the only legitimate use of Achievements is for online bragging rights and Galaxy offers that, apparently.
...One poster hardly speaks for a full thread, and Ancient-Red-Dragon's rather "purist" view isn't reflected in the first post. Subject to how he responds to the queries above, I suspect he'll be boycotting indefinitely while most others here are happy to resume buying if GOG address the issues raised.
In regards to your question: "So does that count as "feature parity" in your book (presumably a plus) or "single player DRM" (presumably a minus)?" --- Based on the descriptions you gave (I am not familiar with those features you cited from first-hand personal experience), those would be examples of both
feature parity and also DRM simultaneously.
In regards to when you said: "So in other words, it's not achievements themselves per se, but any
degree of difference in your view:" --- that's with the caveat,
that it depends on whether or not the removed features were removed for a reasonable reason
For example, GOG games for which the original releases of those games on disc originally used to have GameSpy multiplayer: it would not be reasonable to expect those games still to have GameSpy multiplayer on GOG, given that the GameSpy company has been dead for eons.
In contrast, there is never any reasonable reason for why Achievements should be excluded from GOG games.
The only possible reasons for the exclusion of Achievements on GOG are:
a) the devs are being lazy and/or
b) the devs are being cheap and/or
c) the devs are being unethical and simply don't care that they are treating GOG customers like second-class citizens for no good reason.
d) GOG is complicit in all of the above, because GOG neglects to enforce
feature parity, like they should.
None of those qualify as reasonable reasons for why it's okay for GOG games to be missing Achievement feature parity, therefore, there never should be any missing Achievements on GOG.
As for when you said "One poster hardly speaks for a full thread, and Ancient-Red-Dragon's rather "purist" view isn't reflected in the first post" --- indeed my posts do not speak for the full thread, nor do I intend for them to do so.
By the same token, the original post of this thread is not meant to be
an all-encompassing, definitive, never to be modified, set in stone, sacred list of every possible reason that any GOG customers could possibly have to boycott GOG.
Rather, the OP listed what he thinks
are some good reasons for boycotting GOG (which they are, and I agree with all of those reasons, and so do lots of other customers). But he's not trying be the supreme Emperor who ditcates from on high the unquestionable dogma of all GOG-boycotting tenets.
Now, going back to the Achievement subject: I am certainly not
GOG customer who gets upset when GOG games are missing Achievements. Plenty of others do as well.
It may not be "most" GOG customers that care about Achievements, but certainly many do.
Besides that, we should also note that it's likely that many people who are upset about missing Achievements on GOG are reluctant to speak out about it, because anyone who does
speak out about it gets cyber-bullied by way of their posts automatically being down-voted and their "rep" on the forums desecrating (which by the way, GOG allowing the toxic "downvoting" system is in and of itself another good reason to boycott GOG).
These shady tactics are meant to ostracize, shame, and belittle anyone who stands up for Achievement equality for GOG customers, and intimidate others into staying silent on the subject, lest they be publicly shamed too.
So, that is to say, there could very well be a lot more silent Achievement-wanting customers on GOG than would be apparent from reading this forum.
In regards to when you said: " the only legitimate use of Achievements is for online bragging rights" --- that's not accurate. For examples, here are some other uses for Achievements:
- receiving a personal sense of accomplishment
- feeling like you've completed a "Completionist" run of a game
- admiring the artwork that is drawn for the Achievements
- being satisfied at having overcome difficult challenges
Things like that are still the case even if someone has their Galaxy profile private (i.e. someone who doesn't use it for "bragging rights"), and still collects Achievements anyway.
On a different note: some of the wording in that quoted posted makes it sound like I don't buy any games from GOG at all. But that's not accurate. Rather, I don't buy games that lack Achievement parity, I boycott those games specifically
(and not just their GOG versions, but all versions on any platform).
And I've also greatly reduced my spending on GOG since the Devotion debacle, so that's another way how I'm somewhat boycotting GOG, although not in a 100% way that I never buy anything from GOG ever again.
Finally, over the course of 2021, I've also come to understand another reason that leaves me inclined to want to further boycott GOG, and one which also isn't listed in OP, but is still IMO another valid reason why someone might want to boycott: I feel like my GOG library is insecure.
To fully back up my GOG library on hard drives would cost a minimum of several hundreds of dollars in hardware costs, and maybe over $1,000+ if I'd need more than one 8TB hard drive (I haven't tried it yet, so I'm not sure how much space I'd need).
And even after making that investment, I realize that my GOG library still
wouldn't be secure with only having one backup copy. But I don't have the spare money to buy enough hard drives to back up two or three copies of my whole GOG library.
So, all of this leaves me to question: am I being foolish if I continue to buy new games from GOG, whilst knowing that GOG could quite possibly go bankrupt within the next year or two or three or five?
In contrast, if I start buying DRM'ed games from Steam and/or EGS instead, then that could, ironically, make my DRM'ed libraries there be more secure
than my (sometimes) DRM-free GOG library would be, should GOG ever go out of business.
Because the Steam servers and the EGS servers aren't going anywhere: they will always have a copy of my DRM'ed games ready to download for all of eternity (or at least for the rest of my lifespan), presuming they don't ban my accounts or something like that.
I sure would like to see GOG gets its act together, and stop with all the shenanigans that are driving away and alienating its customers, so that I don't have to keep worrying about things like what I've just described.