toxicTom: Produced by Fox News?

Seriously, it's not that simple. A colleague of mine has lived and worked in China for several years, thousands of Chinese students attend universities in Germany alone. And while those are certainly all from upper-class, privileged families, I've never met any flag-waving "all hail the great leader" type. Idk if you have those too, if so, try to talk to them.

There is censorship, yes, and there's the uncanny feeling of being under observation all the time (that was, according to my colleague, the most unpleasant thing to deal with). But other than that, the Chinese are just normal people, who - like anybody else - love to complain about officials and governments. There are certain taboo topics, and lines you cannot cross (complaining is fine, calling to action will get you into trouble). But the Chinese are not some mindless drones blindly digging any propaganda the government throws at them, like you make them out to be. It seems to me that you instead fell for propaganda here - which is kind of ironic, don't you think?

If games disappear from libraries, Chinese gamers will be as pissed as anybody else would be. There's just not much they can do about it.

thefallenalchemist: It's important to note exactly what happened with Devotion in China. This was taken from a Eurogamer article written in February of 2019. It explains the circumstances that led up to a fierce review bombing of the game which eventually got it banned in China. However, it was actually well-received at first.

"At first, the game become extremely popular in the gaming channels in Chinese community," wrote ResetEra user SushiReese.

"Most of the streamers stream the game, millions of viewers watched the game playthrough. The game also receive universal praise from the media, it even become a trending topic in Chinese social media. The public give extremely positive feedback.

"However, after some users from Taiwan PTT and gaming forum post some screenshots related to OP mentioned and mocked that the game successfully fooled the mainlander into supporting a game to 'mock PRC people and KMT supporters (who tend to unify with China)'. It attract more attention when people dip deeper into the game.

"The anger transfer to outrage when people discover that the founder/lead designer's social media, he holds a pro-Taiwan independent political view and make quite a few political posts."

So the real issue here, is that people from the Taiwanese boards were making fun of the fact that they got China interested in a game that openly mocks it. That's where the controversy started. Even though the game was at first very popular in China and not at all seen as a threat until the Taiwanese gamers basically started drama over it.

So yes, I 100% believe that these are Chinese gamers. Judging from the facts and evidence surrounding what happened to the game in China, we can deduce that these same gamers were against it for the same reason. And unfortunately, the whole thing is Taiwan's fault, because those gamers made fun of the Chinese for embracing a game that openly mocks them.

thefallenalchemist: This isn't even about access to games. This is about the sheer fact that they don't want Devotion sold anywhere. It seems to fill them with anger and resentment. Adding to that, the developers thoughts towards a country that embraced the product.

Just because statista happens to state that most Chinese gaming is mobile, that does not mean that all Chinese gaming is mobile. We're talking about a country who went head over heels into the MMO market. People died playing MMOs. So PC gaming is still a thing over there. And they still like to stream games, mobile internet or not. China has it's own version of Twitch if I am not mistaken. And if the game became that popular on Chinese social media as the user states, then it makes perfect sense that most Chinese gamers were aware of it.

DukeNukemForever: Please read my text and especially the posting I answered to understand the context of it.

Of course PC gaming is big in china, but again, it's not so big (especially regarding GOG ) as many here may think and try to express.

DukeNukemForever: Also I don't have any actual numbers regarding gog user-base, but as far is I remember the biggest share (with a really big gap) came from the USA and then europe. But that's some years old and likely have changed.

thefallenalchemist: 90% of the posts are about refunds. China does not want Cyberpunk 2077.

fronzelneekburm: You think the Chinese government has nothing better to do than sending threats to fledgling digital distributors over obscure indie games?

fronzelneekburm: Here's what actually happened: Gog shat the bed. Plain and simple. Some really bright bulb decided to release one of the most controversial titles of recent years within a week of Cybahjunk 2077 launching. Then some even brighter bulb decided to ADVERTISE this imminent release on a social media platform in a country where said title is de facto on the black list. Seeing their precious Cyberpunk sales threatened (and facing a potential firewalling), the brightest bulb of all decided to cancel the release and blame this cowardly move on "gamers". This last part in particular, this trying to twist your complete and utter lack of cojones into some type of pro-consumer move is hands down the most sickening thing of all.

All this is 100% on gog.

Gersen: With all that it wouldn't be too far fetched to think that, with the announcement of Devotion being released on Gog, especially on Chinese social media (stupid idea I agree), then when you add the nationalists and the "normal" Chinese gamers who were just afraid to lose access to Gog, then it is definitely possible that Gog actually receive a tons of messages from Chinese gamers and that it was what trigger their decision.

SCPM: I might be getting too conspiratorial here, but it's this series of events that leaves me with a lot of questions. So one or two staff members fluent in Chinese advertise the release on Weibo, and the response is supposedly so bad that the staff members are able to convince management within hours to cancel the global release instead of just not making it available for sale in China? There's got to be some other contacts that reached out to GOG, there's no way they just made this decision on the interpretation of some comments on Weibo.

Elmofongo: So basically fuck me and my 600 game library?

Elmofongo: GOG is not worth it because of one game not being added here, and Galaxy, and Cyberpunk blowing?

fronzelneekburm: This isn't conspirational in the slightest. Lots of unanswered questions here. And unless those get answered (or Devotion gets released), gog can say adios to my dineros.

fronzelneekburm: Yup. As harsh as it sounds. Best thing is to not put yourself in a position where you can get fucked (ie. buy all your games in one place).

Look at it this way: I got 1500+ games here and I'm at a point where I'm honestly not sure what upsets me more: The thought of having flushed all that money down the toilet if this website goes under or the thought of having given money to these craven cowards in the first place. (I try to take consolation in the fact that I bought most of that stuff years ago, when gog was a very different website, staffed by very different people)

fronzelneekburm: Yup. That and a veritable shitton of other reasons. You want a list?

toxicTom: Um... you need to consider that you only see the posts of people complaining. The rest is busy playing the game.

Also we had tons of "refund me already" threads right here in General, but because there is so much more going on here, it's simply less visible.

Time4Tea: So, why should I tolerate GOG compromising even 1% on their DRM-free principles?

wolfsite: 1: GOG got complaints from what they described as "gamers" for the game getting released here, however many suspect that they got threatened by the CCP to stop the games release.