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They keep getting in hotter water... But i guess that's what you have to do to make china feel like they are in control because otherwise you couldn't get some slice of their market with their heavily devalued currency (Where China has printed 50 Trillion Dollars worth... more than the rest of the world's currency combined!)

Also The Quartering Banned from the Hearthstone Twitch channel when he tested some Hong Kong support in chat...
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kai2: Which accounts are allowed? I don't follow what you're saying here.

It's not about legal obligation. It's about having access to 1.4 billion people.
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hedwards: You should read the thread before responding. It's pretty clear that the account wouldn't have been banned if they weren't going after the Chinese market and trying to suck up to the authorities there. It's also quite clear that there's no legal obligation for Blizzard to go after any particular market.

There are over a billion people in China, but they don't buy software with any regularity over there. They don't buy really any sort of IP over there, buying a legal DVD or software package over there is virtually impossible due to a flood of pirate copies on the market place. Even just knowing that a copy is legitimate is extremely hard in many cases due to the relatively high quality of the counterfeits. In some cases, they're even produced in the same factory as the authentic ones.

In other words, the 1.4bn number isn't particularly relevant when only a small fraction would even consider buying a software product in the first place. It's probably not a large enough number to justify the bad press that they're getting for this.

Sure, in the future that's likely to change. But, Blizzard is doing something now that they'll likely have forgotten about long before that happens.
I hate when people take a simple question and use it as a springboard for their own arrogance.
Post edited October 19, 2019 by kai2
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hedwards: You should read the thread before responding. It's pretty clear that the account wouldn't have been banned if they weren't going after the Chinese market and trying to suck up to the authorities there. It's also quite clear that there's no legal obligation for Blizzard to go after any particular market.

There are over a billion people in China, but they don't buy software with any regularity over there. They don't buy really any sort of IP over there, buying a legal DVD or software package over there is virtually impossible due to a flood of pirate copies on the market place. Even just knowing that a copy is legitimate is extremely hard in many cases due to the relatively high quality of the counterfeits. In some cases, they're even produced in the same factory as the authentic ones.

In other words, the 1.4bn number isn't particularly relevant when only a small fraction would even consider buying a software product in the first place. It's probably not a large enough number to justify the bad press that they're getting for this.

Sure, in the future that's likely to change. But, Blizzard is doing something now that they'll likely have forgotten about long before that happens.
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kai2: I hate when people take a simple question and use it as a springboard for their own arrogance.
If this is happening that frequently, it's not us that is the problem, it's your failure to do basic research before asking a question. There is a ton of information addressing your question in this thread, it's the main reason the thread exists.

Blizzard has just set precedence for the Chinese authorities to get people banned from competition. Whether they directly told Blizzard to do it or Blizzard inferred that it would be a good idea is largely a matter of semantics as the net result is that accounts that become well known might wind up being banned and losing any competition money they earned.

You made the claim that this was justifiable because of the size of the market, but the reality is that the Chinese market isn't currently that big. They don't have a lot of money and they have a current culture that tolerates piracy to the point where it's genuinely difficult to find legitimate copies of various IP.

As far as being allowed, that's where the previous discussion of the terms is relevant, and that's not something that I posted.
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Elmofongo: Honestly apologizing at all just exposes weakness and the masses will never accept it no matter how much of an effort you make to change.
Being strong for one's principles is one thing... Blizzard is looking for China money, and it's obvious. Otherwise a number of the recent actions wouldn't have happened.

They are more surprised they are getting any backlash at all, nevermind going against their own gamer base who loyally have followed them thus far. But as politics leeches into every facet of life, the gamers who didn't care will suddenly be pushed to make a choice. and that choice is likely going to be anti-censorship.

Just saying, it seems all the large corrupt gaming companies are having issues.
To he** with companies, governments (Feds, China, Blizzard, Google, etc.) that think they own you.

Own your own system (PC -can you even do that anymore with today's hardware?), and own your games (No Steam or account/DRM crap). P2P.

Oh, and China is the most dangerous nation on earth. An evil dragon that no one should have anything to do with, but the big boys (Google, M$, etc.), as well as Made-in-China companies, are going to sell out the world to them. Better dead than Red.
Post edited November 03, 2019 by BStone
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Elmofongo: Honestly apologizing at all just exposes weakness and the masses will never accept it no matter how much of an effort you make to change.
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rtcvb32: Being strong for one's principles is one thing... Blizzard is looking for China money, and it's obvious. Otherwise a number of the recent actions wouldn't have happened.

They are more surprised they are getting any backlash at all, nevermind going against their own gamer base who loyally have followed them thus far.
Blizzard had been going against own loyal gamer base for years. Part of game base, anyway. Now they just turned their back on current gamer base, the same way they did on earlier fans.
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BStone: Oh, and China is the most dangerous nation on earth.
Can you name one single instance where Chinese foreign policy had anywhere near the disastrous effects that, say, US interventionism in the Middle East had?

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StingingVelvet: I dream of a Star Trek style one people future as well, but you can't pretend that's the case today when some countries are literal dictatorships with no civil rights. That's not something to "accept" or "tolerate," it's something to be defeated so we can have a more global world in the future.
I dunno, sounds pretty imperialistic to me. You can think about the Chinese system whatever you want, but it seems to work out exceedingly well for them. They have this thing that has become a distant, fading memory in the West: prosperity. Which is also the reason why Western companies are tripping over themselves to have a piece of the pie. So what makes you think you're in any position to dictate to other countries (let alone the one well on the way to dethrone the US as the number one superpower) what kind of system they're supposed to have?

As for the usual kvetching about muh civil rights: The names Snowden and Assange ring a bell, right? Also, you might want to check out the Socialist Core Values as defined by the Chinese government. Among them you will find such oh-so-Western concepts as "democracy", "freedom", "equality", "justice" and "rule of law". Now you can either stay in your sedated, bluepilled sheeple state and figure "It's a lie when the Chinese use these words!" Or you can realise that governments the world over are just bullshitters who like to throw around these fancy buzzwords in an effort to convince their plundered and exploited wageslave populace that people on the other side of the world have it significantly worse than them.
Post edited November 03, 2019 by fronzelneekburm
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StingingVelvet: Globalists need to understand it's a slow process and not every culture/country deserves respect. I dream of a Star Trek style one people future as well, but you can't pretend that's the case today when some countries are literal dictatorships with no civil rights. That's not something to "accept" or "tolerate," it's something to be defeated so we can have a more global world in the future.
Every culture(or most) deserve respect....it's often the gov'ts that do not...especially in the case of the gaming censorship.

As for global worlds.....sounds good as long as the various countries can keep what makes them unique(including their own local gov'ts and customs) and not be forced into one "mold" like in the EU countries.

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BStone: Oh, and China is the most dangerous nation on earth. An evil dragon that no one should have anything to do with, but the big boys (Google, M$, etc.), as well as Made-in-China companies, are going to sell out the world to them. Better dead than Red.
It's not the people(mostly) that are the problem, but the leadership.

Also a bit of advice: Try not to post too many lines like the first and last ones above or word them more subtly, or the dragon that is the gog staff might pounce on you at some point(they dislike even strong politics talk in gaming related threads).
Post edited November 03, 2019 by GameRager
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BStone: Oh, and China is the most dangerous nation on earth.
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fronzelneekburm: Can you name one single instance where Chinese foreign policy had anywhere near the disastrous effects that, say, US interventionism in the Middle East had?

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StingingVelvet: I dream of a Star Trek style one people future as well, but you can't pretend that's the case today when some countries are literal dictatorships with no civil rights. That's not something to "accept" or "tolerate," it's something to be defeated so we can have a more global world in the future.
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fronzelneekburm: I dunno, sounds pretty imperialistic to me. You can think about the Chinese system whatever you want, but it seems to work out exceedingly well for them. They have this thing that has become a distant, fading memory in the West: prosperity. Which is also the reason why Western companies are tripping over themselves to have a piece of the pie. So what makes you think you're in any position to dictate to other countries (let alone the one well on the way to dethrone the US as the number one superpower) what kind of system they're supposed to have?

As for the usual kvetching about muh civil rights: The names Snowden and Assange ring a bell, right? Also, you might want to check out the Socialist Core Values as defined by the Chinese government. Among them you will find such oh-so-Western concepts as "democracy", "freedom", "equality", "justice" and "rule of law". Now you can either stay in your sedated, bluepilled sheeple state and figure "It's a lie when the Chinese use these words!" Or you can realise that governments the world over are just bullshitters who like to throw around these fancy buzzwords in an effort to convince their plundered and exploited wageslave populace that people on the other side of the world have it significantly worse than them.
With all of the technology that the West has transferred to China over the last 50 years, how could it not be dangerous? lol
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fronzelneekburm: Can you name one single instance where Chinese foreign policy had anywhere near the disastrous effects that, say, US interventionism in the Middle East had?
Tibet(is that foreign enough? I am seriously asking). Also internally...Hong Kong.

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fronzelneekburm: I dunno, sounds pretty imperialistic to me. You can think about the Chinese system whatever you want, but it seems to work out exceedingly well for them.
So it sounds bad to want people to be free of dictatorships? And no, when a country's leadership locks people up for saying various things/implements a social credit system where one has to keep in line & act a certain way to get basic services/locks up or fines people for showing pictures of winnie the pooh....no, I don't think that is a country doing well in all ways.

(Maybe China is doing well financially, but that cannot last forever)

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fronzelneekburm: They have this thing that has become a distant, fading memory in the West: prosperity. Which is also the reason why Western companies are tripping over themselves to have a piece of the pie. So what makes you think you're in any position to dictate to other countries (let alone the one well on the way to dethrone the US as the number one superpower) what kind of system they're supposed to have?
The west has prosperity in many ways as well, and companies want a piece of the pie because they're greedy & China allows them cheap goods/labor.

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fronzelneekburm: As for the usual kvetching about muh civil rights: The names Snowden and Assange ring a bell, right? Also, you might want to check out the Socialist Core Values as defined by the Chinese government.
They got locked up legally for breaking the law we already have, which the gov't did use to make an example....but they still did that within the framework of the law.

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fronzelneekburm: Among them you will find such oh-so-Western concepts as "democracy", "freedom", "equality", "justice" and "rule of law". Now you can either stay in your sedated, bluepilled sheeple state and figure "It's a lie when the Chinese use these words!" Or you can realise that governments the world over are just bullshitters who like to throw around these fancy buzzwords in an effort to convince their plundered and exploited wageslave populace that people on the other side of the world have it significantly worse than them.
The chinese gov't throw those words around but they mean very little when the party says what goes and are basically in office for life.

And yes, most gov'ts do such things but at least we have protections that limit what they can do in many western countries, which the chinese/etc lack.
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Now i'm gonna drop it here, as this is going too offtopic and into politics. If you ever want to chat on it, though, my PM is open for honest and civil discussion on the topics discussed here at any time.
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Elmofongo: STOP LINKING THE QUARTERING!!!
He is a bit clickbaity and whiny sometimes, but he can also be informative and entertaining on occasion.
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rtcvb32: Blizzard's Q+A section gets heavily trolled...

Yep.... Half expected this to happen.
The bit starting at 1:55 is a very good point.....Blizz allows some good(i.e. lgbt or pc) statements but not unpopular ones....they should either allow all or none, like Jeremy says.
Post edited November 03, 2019 by GameRager
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fronzelneekburm: I dunno, sounds pretty imperialistic to me. You can think about the Chinese system whatever you want, but it seems to work out exceedingly well for them. They have this thing that has become a distant, fading memory in the West: prosperity. Which is also the reason why Western companies are tripping over themselves to have a piece of the pie. So what makes you think you're in any position to dictate to other countries (let alone the one well on the way to dethrone the US as the number one superpower) what kind of system they're supposed to have?

As for the usual kvetching about muh civil rights: The names Snowden and Assange ring a bell, right? Also, you might want to check out the Socialist Core Values as defined by the Chinese government. Among them you will find such oh-so-Western concepts as "democracy", "freedom", "equality", "justice" and "rule of law". Now you can either stay in your sedated, bluepilled sheeple state and figure "It's a lie when the Chinese use these words!" Or you can realise that governments the world over are just bullshitters who like to throw around these fancy buzzwords in an effort to convince their plundered and exploited wageslave populace that people on the other side of the world have it significantly worse than them.
You're insane if you think a dictatorship with reeducation camps and massive censorship is something to be accepted or positively compared to Western democracies. I see you live in China, and I'm sorry to be so blunt with you, but you have no idea what you're talking about. I hope one day you experience freedom.
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fronzelneekburm: I dunno, sounds pretty imperialistic to me. You can think about the Chinese system whatever you want, but it seems to work out exceedingly well for them. They have this thing that has become a distant, fading memory in the West: prosperity. Which is also the reason why Western companies are tripping over themselves to have a piece of the pie. So what makes you think you're in any position to dictate to other countries (let alone the one well on the way to dethrone the US as the number one superpower) what kind of system they're supposed to have?

As for the usual kvetching about muh civil rights: The names Snowden and Assange ring a bell, right? Also, you might want to check out the Socialist Core Values as defined by the Chinese government. Among them you will find such oh-so-Western concepts as "democracy", "freedom", "equality", "justice" and "rule of law". Now you can either stay in your sedated, bluepilled sheeple state and figure "It's a lie when the Chinese use these words!" Or you can realise that governments the world over are just bullshitters who like to throw around these fancy buzzwords in an effort to convince their plundered and exploited wageslave populace that people on the other side of the world have it significantly worse than them.
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StingingVelvet: You're insane if you think a dictatorship with reeducation camps and massive censorship is something to be accepted or positively compared to Western democracies. I see you live in China, and I'm sorry to be so blunt with you, but you have no idea what you're talking about. I hope one day you experience freedom.
What makes you think that your beliefs constitute factual reality?

Thought you were better than this, bruh. Very disappointing.
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richlind33: What makes you think that your beliefs constitute factual reality?

Thought you were better than this, bruh. Very disappointing.
I don't really care if you're disappointed. Democracy, free speech, not locking minorities up in camps... these are objectively good things. Dictatorships, government censorship of all dissent, ethnic cleansing... these are objectively bad things. There's a ton of room for debate about the West's own problems and how certain political issues should be decided, but there's no room for arguing the positives of China's human rights. Sorry. Same for how women and homosexuals are treated in many countries. There are objective wrongs in this world.
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StingingVelvet: Globalists need to understand it's a slow process and not every culture/country deserves respect. I dream of a Star Trek style one people future as well, but you can't pretend that's the case today when some countries are literal dictatorships with no civil rights. That's not something to "accept" or "tolerate," it's something to be defeated so we can have a more global world in the future.
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GameRager: Every culture(or most) deserve respect....it's often the gov'ts that do not...especially in the case of the gaming censorship.

As for global worlds.....sounds good as long as the various countries can keep what makes them unique(including their own local gov'ts and customs) and not be forced into one "mold" like in the EU countries.

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BStone: Oh, and China is the most dangerous nation on earth. An evil dragon that no one should have anything to do with, but the big boys (Google, M$, etc.), as well as Made-in-China companies, are going to sell out the world to them. Better dead than Red.
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GameRager: It's not the people(mostly) that are the problem, but the leadership.

Also a bit of advice: Try not to post too many lines like the first and last ones above or word them more subtly, or the dragon that is the gog staff might pounce on you at some point(they dislike even strong politics talk in gaming related threads).
This thread is a political thread.
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StingingVelvet: You're insane if you think a dictatorship with reeducation camps and massive censorship is something to be accepted or positively compared to Western democracies. I see you live in China, and I'm sorry to be so blunt with you, but you have no idea what you're talking about. I hope one day you experience freedom.
Not to nag or rag on ANYBODY, but i'd imagine hearing such things over and over from birth(propaganda) drills it into one's brain, and i'm glad I at least have a brain that can filter through most of the lies & a system where I can express my displeasure without being(in most cases) shot/locked up/etc.
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richlind33: What makes you think that your beliefs constitute factual reality?

Thought you were better than this, bruh. Very disappointing.
Reality is what you make of it, and even if it's all an illusion i'd rather it be a more "free" one than what some countries offer.

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BStone: This thread is a political thread.
Yes, but if people go too into politics staff can and often does delete posts/ban people/etc. I was just trying to make sure you or no one else gets such treatment.
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StingingVelvet: I don't really care if you're disappointed. Democracy, free speech, not locking minorities up in camps... these are objectively good things. Dictatorships, government censorship of all dissent, ethnic cleansing... these are objectively bad things. There's a ton of room for debate about the West's own problems and how certain political issues should be decided, but there's no room for arguing the positives of China's human rights. Sorry. Same for how women and homosexuals are treated in many countries. There are objective wrongs in this world.
Good post/points.....too bad all dictatorships cannot be like the ending of B.A.S.S. :\
Post edited November 03, 2019 by GameRager