Posted March 10, 2017
Djaron
Bastard Jester
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Senteria
GOG Café Admin
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From Netherlands
Posted March 10, 2017
Question: are you going to moderate the entire forum by yourself? I mean I don't see a lot of blues around yet. Will you recruit people for moderating the forums?
fables22
Bacon of light
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_ChaosFox_
Zero fox given.
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From Germany
Posted March 10, 2017
I'm personally fairly satisfied with the new rules - now we just need to see whether there's the will to enforce them.
I do have a few questions that I'll post publicly here for everyone's benefit (my apologies if this violates the "public criticism of mods" provision, although I sure that's more related to individual controversial cases as opposed to general enforcement in order to prevent protracted arguments about whether a closure was warranted or not):
* Following on from WBGhiro's post - how will abuse of the rep system be monitored and punished? Will it be based on more longstanding abuse or isolated incidents? WBGhiro is being rather facetious but the point is a valid one - what happens if someone accidentally clicks on the "report as spam" button? I know it's happened to me at least once. Do the mods have access to a user's down/upvoting history?
* "Posting something that is knowingly false." I'd trust the mods to enforce this rule appropriately but it is rather general. Someone may post something that is "knowingly false" as a joke and the falsehood may be apparent from the context or absurdity. Think "The Onion" or "The Postillion". Wouldn't it be appropriate to add that knowingly false claims should not be posted in bad faith or out of malice?
* Can I still say "fuck", as long as I'm not telling anyone maliciously to "fuck off"?
I do have a few questions that I'll post publicly here for everyone's benefit (my apologies if this violates the "public criticism of mods" provision, although I sure that's more related to individual controversial cases as opposed to general enforcement in order to prevent protracted arguments about whether a closure was warranted or not):
* Following on from WBGhiro's post - how will abuse of the rep system be monitored and punished? Will it be based on more longstanding abuse or isolated incidents? WBGhiro is being rather facetious but the point is a valid one - what happens if someone accidentally clicks on the "report as spam" button? I know it's happened to me at least once. Do the mods have access to a user's down/upvoting history?
* "Posting something that is knowingly false." I'd trust the mods to enforce this rule appropriately but it is rather general. Someone may post something that is "knowingly false" as a joke and the falsehood may be apparent from the context or absurdity. Think "The Onion" or "The Postillion". Wouldn't it be appropriate to add that knowingly false claims should not be posted in bad faith or out of malice?
* Can I still say "fuck", as long as I'm not telling anyone maliciously to "fuck off"?
thomq
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From United States
Posted March 10, 2017
Senteria: Question: are you going to moderate the entire forum by yourself? I mean I don't see a lot of blues around yet. Will you recruit people for moderating the forums?
In case it's not until after the weekend before there's a reply, perhaps this page in the support section would give a hint. In particular: GOG.com employees […] volunteer their time to assist you, so you should keep in mind that they are usually posting outside of their everyday responsibilities, and therefore may not always be available.
So it seems likely to me whoever helps (if anyone else at all) will be doing so in their spare time, which sounds like either after leaving work or before starting work, assuming there is any time to spare.Post edited March 10, 2017 by thomq
JunglePredator
JunglePredator
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From Canada
Posted March 10, 2017
JunglePredator: (And since it was directed at me, I am of the opinion, that no one else has a right to comment on if it was offensive or not.)
Djaron: i wish more people could listen to such wisdom, tbh. To be it always seemed to be a basic truth but it seems you and i are a bit obsolete on this regard _ChaosFox_
Zero fox given.
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From Germany
Posted March 10, 2017
fables22: We'll see. There's been talks about recruiting moderators and there's also been some suggestions, but I don't think we'll be doing it any time soon. All GOG staff have the same moderating capabilities, so more than likely I'll ask a few of my colleagues to use them, if it seems necessary as per the forum rules.
As someone who has past experience in running and moderating a forum, I can only advise against recruiting moderators from the general community, no matter how trustworthy they may seem. One of my first jobs in the gaming industry was as a Community Manager and I can assure that whoever you pick as a "lay mod", they will almost always have an agenda or bias in terms of what they let slide, remove or ban. Keep your mods in the office. For my part, I won't be doing it ever again.
Post edited March 10, 2017 by jamyskis
foxworks
5* General of Cheese™
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From United States
Posted March 10, 2017
Djaron: i wish more people could listen to such wisdom, tbh. To be it always seemed to be a basic truth but it seems you and i are a bit obsolete on this regard
JunglePredator: Don't get me wrong; I do believe it's possible for some language to offend individuals of a group even if it's not aimed at them. However I don't believe anyone can be offended on behalf of someone else is all. <snip> JunglePredator
JunglePredator
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From Canada
Posted March 10, 2017
JunglePredator: Don't get me wrong; I do believe it's possible for some language to offend individuals of a group even if it's not aimed at them. However I don't believe anyone can be offended on behalf of someone else is all. <snip>
foxworks: You'd be surprised :p Hmm.
I wonder if this is starting to be off topic.
foxworks
5* General of Cheese™
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From United States
Posted March 10, 2017
I think we're fine. However, if we decided to discuss your Furby collection and how much you wanted Furbacca. Well then ;-p
JunglePredator
JunglePredator
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From Canada
Posted March 10, 2017
JunglePredator: Oh I know some people WANT to be, but they're attempting to degrade human rights by doing so.
Hmm.
I wonder if this is starting to be off topic.
foxworks: I think we're fine. However, if we decided to discuss your Furby collection and how much you wanted Furbacca. Well then ;-p Hmm.
I wonder if this is starting to be off topic.
I was attempting to show that the rules can be interpreted & that one should proceed on the basis of the most common language.
And since that's English I'd say use UK standards.
"Appropriate" takes on the meaning of what the majority thinks is correct.
Includes little swearing, avoid slang since it's not universal & try to be as clear as possible.
(IE talk to each person like you're talking to your manager at work, not to your pal at the pub or a person on the subway.)
thomq
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From United States
Posted March 10, 2017
JunglePredator: I was attempting to show that the rules can be interpreted & that one should proceed on the basis of the most common language.
And since that's English I'd say use UK standards.
"Appropriate" takes on the meaning of what the majority thinks is correct.
Includes little swearing, avoid slang since it's not universal & try to be as clear as possible.
(IE talk to each person like you're talking to your manager at work, not to your pal at the pub or a person on the subway.)
So then no posting while drunk and no sign language? Sounds reasonably easy…And since that's English I'd say use UK standards.
"Appropriate" takes on the meaning of what the majority thinks is correct.
Includes little swearing, avoid slang since it's not universal & try to be as clear as possible.
(IE talk to each person like you're talking to your manager at work, not to your pal at the pub or a person on the subway.)
InkPanther
Registered: Sep 2008
From Poland
Posted March 10, 2017
Hi, my name is Mateusz, do I get banned for a week? ;) This part of the rule is a little bit silly to be honest, it should be up to me if I want to tell everybody here and on the entire internet my name or email.
It looked like up until now nobody at GOG was able to track and eradicate downrepping/reporting as spam problems and you suddenly intend to enforce the rule forbidding it? I'm sorry but what exactly changed?
I have some reservations regarding rules about cheats and hacks, posting knowingly false things, bumping and off-topic, and also spoilers. But it shouldn't be a problem unless moderation from now on is going to the other extreme end of the spectrum. (It isn't, right?)
It looked like up until now nobody at GOG was able to track and eradicate downrepping/reporting as spam problems and you suddenly intend to enforce the rule forbidding it? I'm sorry but what exactly changed?
I have some reservations regarding rules about cheats and hacks, posting knowingly false things, bumping and off-topic, and also spoilers. But it shouldn't be a problem unless moderation from now on is going to the other extreme end of the spectrum. (It isn't, right?)
DaCostaBR
Dayman: Fighter of the Nightman
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From Brazil
Posted March 10, 2017
I made this question in the previous thread and it went completely ignored: how will you deal with the alt-account problems?
Will new accounts lack certain privileges (like downvoting) until some criteria are met? Are bans either IP-based or have something else about them to prevent the person from posting?
Because as it is, this rule
The same goes for all the other rules, in fact, if your only form of moderation is bans that can be circumvented with an alt-account that takes less than a minute to create.
Will new accounts lack certain privileges (like downvoting) until some criteria are met? Are bans either IP-based or have something else about them to prevent the person from posting?
Because as it is, this rule
WE DON’T TOLERATE:[...] Creating multiple accounts.
is very cute, but it's completely meaningless if you can't enforce it. The same goes for all the other rules, in fact, if your only form of moderation is bans that can be circumvented with an alt-account that takes less than a minute to create.
liquidsnakehpks
sons of liberty
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From India
Posted March 10, 2017
Looks like standard rules like any other forum i have been , the drm free crowd will be hard to tame here , good luck fables