real.geizterfahr: I didn't feel like playing the Final Cut anymore.
timppu: So what happened? Did the game become sour or something? Is it too old a game now? You can only play games when they are brand-new?
No. I already wrote what happened: I played Torchlight 2 for 208 hours and am not longer in the mood for ARPGs.
timppu: All that vitriole over Final Cut... yet it did arrive to GOG, albeit delayed.
7 months delayed! That's the problem. I bought the games because I was in the mood for an ARPG. I didn't want to start Van Helsing 1, 2 and 3, because I didn't want to start over when the Final Cut arrives. So I waited and waited and waited.
timppu: So you were not stuck with anything, especially as the publisher was willing to provide you a Steam key if you really were in a hurry to play the Final Cut version.
As I said: I didn't buy the game on GOG to play it on Steam.
timppu: Anyway, I guess we won't be seeing you anymore in the GOG forums, right? I heard GOG forums suck too.
Nope, you won't see me around here anymore. I left the forums because I don't want to read racist bullshit from KiNgMyShIfTkEyIsNuTsBrAdLeY anymore, or deal with the trolling of Kleetus, Regals, ciomalau, Tauto and all the other idiots who can't seem to get enough of tinyE and follow him from thread to thread. I'll only post in the game specific subforums if I can help or need help with a game. I just thought this thread is a good chance to let GOG know that it isn't smart to build up a reputation for being extremely slow with patches and updates, or for having outdated versions of games.
real.geizterfahr: Lesson learned -> Don't buy "promises" on GOG.
timppu: Even though GOG actually fulfilled the promise in that case.
Yup... Seven months later. Again: I was in the mood for an ARPG and the Final Cut was supposed to get here. Of course no one said it'll be released here when it'll be released elswhere, but... C'mon, you don't really want to argue about this, do you?
timppu: So how do they "force" developers to do that? It is idiotic to suggest GOG should come up with some nonsense clauses like "if a Steam update doesn't come to GOG during the same day, then the publisher will lose any profits from their games sold on GOG" or some such bs. NO PUBLISHER WOULD ACCEPT SUCH A CLAUSE, PERIOD. You'd have to be very stupid to think they would.
We're not talking about "on the same day". We're talking about "not a couple of months later, if at all". And again: If a publisher or dev isn't willing to sign that he's not going to abandon the GOG version of his game (or not to release a patch that brakes the game and then tells GOG users that they won't release a fix), it might be better if we don't get the game here at all! Sorry for being that arrogant to demand that the games I purchase here get the same patches and stuff that they get on other stores.
timppu: Also, you make it sound like most GOG games are missing updates or DLCs, which is complete bullshit of course. Yes quite often they come later than in Steam, so if getting them ASAP is of utter importance to you, then I guess Steam it is.
You do realize that we're still talking about new games? I usually don't buy new games at full price to wait a couple of months until the GOG version gets the same stuff as other versions. And that happens quite often lately!
timppu: I also think you put far too much blame on GOG on this one. It is the publishers you should be blaming.
If this happens once or twice: Yes, blame the publisher. But if a store starts to build a reputation for getting updates very late, or even for having lots of
games that treat GOG costumers as second class citizens, you should be allowed to ask the guys who run the store to make sure that the games you purchase will recieve updates. A Steam version of a game isn't fundamentally different from the GOG version of a game. Steamworks doesn't turn the invisible Sybill from Sam & Max visible. Steamworks doesn't prevent Omerta from showing the ending credits after the first mission. Steamworks isn't what gives KotOR 2 widescreen suport and bug fixes. Steamworks isn't what gives Fahrenheit better textures. Steamworks isn't what gives Deadalic adventures the German audio. All these things don't have to do anything with "maintaining a DRM free version". These things got nothing to do with DRM or DRM free. It's just publishers and developers being too lazy to send their files over to GOG. Yes, it's their fault that they're lazy. But it's GOG's customers who have the choice to live without the updates, or to buy the game again, on another platform.
timppu: Now you are being a bit of an asshole with that statement.
Look, I get it, you don't care about DRM. Good for you.
I do care about DRM. That's why GOG was the first digital store I used. That's why I bought all my games on GOG when I had the choice. That's why I bought games on GOG again that I already got elsewhere (when they weren't available here). That's why I'm writing this oO
timppu: But claiming that those who do are some kind of "idealistic people who fight the war" or "a religious nutcase who buys games here to support GOG and the DRM free bullshit revolution" is just bullshit. I buy DRM-free games because they are of much more value to me than games which will disappear when the store/service disappeares.
I never said that people who care about DRM are religious nutcases who fight the DRM free war. I just said that I AM NOT a religious nutcase who fights the DRM free war. I prefer DRM free, but not at the price of getting an abandoned and outdated version of a game.