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Thanks for the games, folks.

That black (megan) was the worst impmate ever. I kept sabotaging and sabotaging and they kept doing nothing.
In between I got into argument with people I murdered over the fact I know dedo so I have to feed him info outside game.

Also:
"However, at certain points the crew must make a vote, such as when 5 players remain with 2 imposters or when there are 3 players and 1 imposter."
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dedoporno: @GH, one advice - I know you say you play casually and fool around but when you do so you're effectively playing 3rd impostor most of the time because people are sussing you for it and you're getting wrong kind of attention (and likely misvoted) instead of the real impostors.
To start, thanks for the kind words of advice.

I play as I do...in part...because it makes the game more fun for me. If I changed to play more as others from the forums do the tradeoff is that i'd possibly have less fun with the game....so I try to balance out how I want to play with how others like other players to play.

To everyone else: I am sorry if my style of play makes the game less fun for anyone else by doing so.

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ZFR: ggs
Thanks for the invite, btw.


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Vitek: Thanks for the games, folks.
You too....also sorry for imposterizing ya so much. :D
Post edited November 22, 2020 by GamesRater
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Vitek: "However, at certain points the crew must make a vote, such as when 5 players remain with 2 imposters or when there are 3 players and 1 imposter."
To be honest I'm still not sure about the situation on 5 (3 v 2), I haven't though into it. The second part about 4 (3:1) is absolutely wrong, though. You only vote on 4 if you're sure or at least pretty sure.

Megan was indeed a bad imp buddy. I was imps with him and he bussed me when there was no reason to do so. Ultimately he got voted out and I won on my own but he was really counter-productive while alive.
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dedoporno: To be honest I'm still not sure about the situation on 5 (3 v 2),
Voting blindly has a high enough probability of hitting imp. However unlike 4 vs 2, a misvote is immediate loss, so there is a theoretical advantage of skippin

4 vs 2 on the other hand has no advantage of skipping. A double kill is practically as deadly as a single kill.

To put it in a table:

6:
Good vote (33%): on way to winning
Misvote: high probability of dying.
Skip: high probability of dying
(i.e. no reason to skip, it's as bad as misvoting)

5:
Good vote (40%): on way to winning
Misvote: death
skip: high probability of dying
(i.e. there *is* a reason to skip, even though it's a high probability of dying it's better than certain death)

However, even though 5 has a reason to skip, the good vote has a higher blind chance. So anything that can raise those votes, even weak sus, becomes a reason to vote.

Conclusion:
6: definitely vote.
5: Vote if you have decent sus. Or if you have too many tasks to finish. Skip if you can win quickly by tasking and you have absolutely no clue on sus.
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dedoporno: . The second part about 4 (3:1) is absolutely wrong, though. You only vote on 4 if you're sure or at least pretty sure.
Yup. Voting on 3:1 is absolutely wrong. It's a similar situation to 3vs1 in Vanilla Mafia where, barring a damning evidence (which in vanilla mafia you can't get), it's better to NL.
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Vitek: "However, at certain points the crew must make a vote, such as when 5 players remain with 2 imposters or when there are 3 players and 1 imposter."
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dedoporno: The second part about 4 (3:1) is absolutely wrong, though. You only vote on 4 if you're sure or at least pretty sure.
I think however, the second part of Vitek's quote refered to 2 vs 1.

"you have 3 players (total) and 1 impostor."
Post edited November 22, 2020 by ZFR
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ZFR: Conclusion:
6: definitely vote.
5: Vote if you have decent sus. Or if you have too many tasks to finish. Skip if you can win quickly by tasking and you have absolutely no clue on sus.
The insta-loss on a bad vote is what scares me pretty much. Other than it it's basically the same as 4 vs 2.

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ZFR: I think however, the second part of Vitek's quote refered to 2 vs 1.

"you have 3 players (total) and 1 impostor."
Oh, you're right!
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dedoporno: Other than it it's basically the same as 4 vs 2.
And 4 vs 2 is "must vote".

In 3 vs 2, the only time instana-death matters is when you are just about to win on tasks. In that case you don't want a misvote insta-death. Otherwise they need a single kill from any of the two, so basically just wait for cooldown to run out. It's pretty much similar to instadeath.

So if you still have tons of tasks to complete and/or you have a decent (even if not 100% solid) sus of someone at 3vs2 you should take the risk and vote. If you get it wrong, you lose, but the alternative of skipping is an almost guaranteed loss too.
Post edited November 22, 2020 by ZFR
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dedoporno: The insta-loss on a bad vote is what scares me pretty much. Other than it it's basically the same as 4 vs 2.

Oh, you're right!
If you have to vote on 6 with 2 imps you most certainly must vote on 5. It is the same situation only with higher chance of hitting imp.

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dedoporno: Megan was indeed a bad imp buddy. I was imps with him and he bussed me when there was no reason to do so. Ultimately he got voted out and I won on my own but he was really counter-productive while alive.
It was that one when it had to be you or blue as I was elsewhere when you killed ZFR and blue still voted me, wasn't it?
Bah, waht a disappointment there.

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GamesRater: I play as I do...in part...because it makes the game more fun for me. If I changed to play more as others from the forums do the tradeoff is that i'd possibly have less fun with the game....so I try to balance out how I want to play with how others like other players to play.
I just want to say, from what I saw you play only on mouse, right? If so I think you should really give s hot playing on keyboard. It makes wonders for reporting kills, sabotaging or killing.
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Vitek: It was that one when it had to be you or blue as I was elsewhere when you killed ZFR and blue still voted me, wasn't it?
Bah, waht a disappointment there.
Yes. Megan kept messing with my sabotages so I was forced to do a play in another way which was to try and get a good stack kill. Fortunately Megan didn't screw up the office doors so I was able to close them just before we got to them and got a stack of all 4 of us together.
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Vitek: I just want to say, from what I saw you play only on mouse, right? If so I think you should really give s hot playing on keyboard. It makes wonders for reporting kills, sabotaging or killing.
Yeah, I used mouse as I didn't know what the KB keys were and was a bit too lazy (my bad) to look em up or see if I could configure them a different way if need be.

I might switch to it(kb and mouse) next session....as it no doubt would help to be able to hit a key and report/etc in the game....instead of fumbling around for the report button like I did during that one game where it was dark(I actually couldn't see around me and only saw the report button at the time, but not the impD body).

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dedoporno: Yes. Megan kept messing with my sabotages so I was forced to do a play in another way which was to try and get a good stack kill. Fortunately Megan didn't screw up the office doors so I was able to close them just before we got to them and got a stack of all 4 of us together.
You can multi kyll in the game? How? I thought there's a longish cooldown between kylls?
Post edited November 22, 2020 by GamesRater
Who's playing today?

I'm available from now onwards and will be checking this thread from time to time.
Post edited November 22, 2020 by ZFR
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ZFR: Who's playing today?

I'm available from now onwards and will be checking this thread from time to time.
I'm here, but I am eating as I play and also browsing a bit, so I might be a bit distracted(not too much though) as I play.

If anyone else is up for a game I will gladly take the code that's offered and join up.
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GamesRater: You can multi kyll in the game? How? I thought there's a longish cooldown between kylls?
You can't. A stack kill is when you have multiple players standing practically on top of each other. Because of the way the kill animation looks, if a kill is done a good stack it's impossible to tell who did it other than it was one of the people present on the stack.

What I did was form a full stack which was all of us on the same spot so I got a kill without providing any new information to the crew (they already knew the killer was one of us, obviously, and knew it wasn't ZFR who I slashed).
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dedoporno: You can't. A stack kill is when you have multiple players standing practically on top of each other. Because of the way the kill animation looks, if a kill is done a good stack it's impossible to tell who did it other than it was one of the people present on the stack.

What I did was form a full stack which was all of us on the same spot so I got a kill without providing any new information to the crew (they already knew the killer was one of us, obviously, and knew it wasn't ZFR who I slashed).
Stupid me, I didn't think of that move(I have mainly ImpD people that are alone when IMP).

Thanks for the tips btw.
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ZFR: Who's playing today?
I may be on a bit later, if we get a squad going.
Something new I learned that may also not have been obvious to others:

Failing to place a vote entirely is not the same as actively choosing the "skip vote" option at the bottom. Choosing the skip option actually affects the threshold a player needs to get voted out.

For example, if a player gets 3 votes and 3 others choose the "skip vote" option a tie is formed and voted player would remain (3 v 3 out of 6 votes). If one person of the second group failed to vote entirely the player would get ejected (3 v 2 out of 5 votes, the non-voter doesn't count at all).