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apehater: intel gpu? O_o
I ask myself the same.
Had a lot of trouble running even 10yr old games on Intel gpus *at work :P* but almost zero issues at home, on my way more powered laptop. It seems these intel gps have progressed a lot lately and that's great.
Would love to play the vast majority of my GOG catalog on a mobile pc powered by this gpu, but the fear of being dissatisfied is too damn high ;)

Someone should do a GOGMix - or something - about "Games that run fine under recent Intel Mobile Gpus", not including dosbox and scummvm ones.
Post edited August 13, 2015 by vicklemos
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vicklemos: ... It seems these intel gps have progressed a lot lately and that's great ...
i know that they got more power these days, hd4600 and higher models. BUT that are still integrated graphic chips, not a full graphic card. these chips still do not offer full graphic support (for example bump mapping, high res agp textures) and they are very weak compared to real graphic cards of the same generation. so there is no way to prefer intel as graphic brand, its just an emergency solution, in case you can't play on an device with a real graphic card.

of course there are exceptions, like darkstone. it runs great on intel but you can't run it on geforce 400 or higher models without horrible glitches.
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vicklemos: ... It seems these intel gps have progressed a lot lately and that's great ...
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apehater: i know that they got more power these days, hd4600 and higher models. BUT that are still integrated graphic chips, not a full graphic card. these chips still do not offer full graphic support (for example bump mapping, high res agp textures) and they are very weak compared to real graphic cards of the same generation. so there is no way to prefer intel as graphic brand, its just an emergency solution, in case you can't play on an device with a real graphic card.

of course there are exceptions, like darkstone. it runs great on intel but you can't run it on geforce 400 or higher models without horrible glitches.
True.
I know the people at Intel are working their asses off, but wouldn't it be great if we had integrated graphics comparable to off board amd/nvidia ones, even in terms of "heavy" gaming? I'd love to see that. But the vast majority of games I play are not that demanding, so a brand new Intel gpu must handle 'em all pretty nicely and I'm ok with it... but there will come a time when a real gpu will be needed. so... crap.
Damn you gpu manufacturers, why can't ya make my dreams come true?! :P
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vicklemos: ... but wouldn't it be great if we had integrated graphics comparable to off board amd/nvidia ones, even in terms of "heavy" gaming? ...
as i'm more an amd fan, it would be great only if its an amd cpu with a powerful amd integrated graphic chip. intel did get powerful enough since their release of sandy bridge cpus back in 2011 :(
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vicklemos: ... but wouldn't it be great if we had integrated graphics comparable to off board amd/nvidia ones, even in terms of "heavy" gaming? ...
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apehater: as i'm more an amd fan, it would be great only if its an amd cpu with a powerful amd integrated graphic chip. intel did get powerful enough since their release of sandy bridge cpus back in 2011 :(
Humm.
And what do you think of this?
I find it to be extremely cool, even though the vast majority of people disagree :)
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vicklemos: ... It seems these intel gps have progressed a lot lately and that's great ...
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apehater: i know that they got more power these days, hd4600 and higher models. BUT that are still integrated graphic chips, not a full graphic card. these chips still do not offer full graphic support (for example bump mapping, high res agp textures)
This is not true. While it is of course true that they are slower than graphics cards that can dissipate a lot more power and have fast dedicated memory, feature wise they are pretty much at the same level as dedicated graphics cards. Modern IGP from both Intel and AMD fully support DirectX 11 in hardware. As for bump mapping in particular, you do that with shaders these days anyway. The days of fixed-function graphics pipelines are long gone.
Also, there are integrated graphics solutions which have a surprisingly good performance, approaching that of mid-range dedicated graphics cards (Intel Iris Pro 6200), due to fast on chip memory.
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jpilot: ...feature wise they are pretty much at the same level as dedicated graphics cards. Modern IGP from both Intel and AMD fully support DirectX 11 in hardware. As for bump mapping in particular, you do that with shaders these days anyway. The days of fixed-function graphics pipelines are long gone....
maybe in theory, but try to play sacrifice or messiah on an intel hd4600 and you'll see.
Now I'm almost wishing I got a laptop that just had an Intel HD4000 integrated GPU in it. I can speculate it would have been perfect for my needs.

That said, the laptop I did get that has the older 4500MHD chip plus the AMD Radeon HD 3650 discrete card is still most satisfactory. The 1920x1200 display is great for gaming, and the discrete card has good performance when the Intel card isn't good enough.

The dual GPU setup is sometimes a bit of a hassle under Linux though. I should just be glad I'm not dealing with the horrible Catalyst drivers again.
Post edited August 13, 2015 by BillyMaysFan59
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BillyMaysFan59: Now I'm almost wishing I got a laptop that just had an Intel HD4000 integrated GPU in it. I can speculate it would have been perfect for my needs.

That said, the laptop I did get that has the older 4500MHD chip plus the AMD Radeon HD 3650 discrete card is still most satisfactory. The 1920x1200 display is great for gaming, and the discrete card has good performance when the Intel card isn't good enough.
Nice story, bro.
Let's admit it: integrated cards are cost effective, space saving (and power, too) and a good solution for laptop gaming, which translates to butt-in-couch-controller-in-hands gaming, in my case.

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jpilot: ...feature wise they are pretty much at the same level as dedicated graphics cards. Modern IGP from both Intel and AMD fully support DirectX 11 in hardware. As for bump mapping in particular, you do that with shaders these days anyway. The days of fixed-function graphics pipelines are long gone....
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apehater: maybe in theory, but try to play sacrifice or messiah on an intel hd4600 and you'll see.
Really? These games run like crap?
Post edited August 13, 2015 by vicklemos
Intel can't even remotely compete performance wise. AMD ruined a laptop I owned and make shitty drivers. So that only leaves one choice for me.
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apehater: maybe in theory, but try to play sacrifice or messiah on an intel hd4600 and you'll see.
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vicklemos: Really? These games run like crap?
no they run without problems. but you won't get support for bump mapping in sacrifice and for high resolution textures in messiah. you will get bump mapping and high resolution textures with an nvidia card. these features should be supported by the hd4000 series. support something in theory still differs from practical experience.
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Kristian: Intel can't even remotely compete performance wise. AMD ruined a laptop I owned and make shitty drivers. So that only leaves one choice for me.
VIA Chrome9 HC IGP?? :D
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vicklemos: Really? These games run like crap?
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apehater: no they run without problems. but you won't get support for bump mapping in sacrifice and for high resolution textures in messiah. you will get bump mapping and high resolution textures with an nvidia card. these features should be supported by the hd4000 series. support something in theory still differs from practical experience.
Ah, I get it.
Thanks for the indo, dear cuban amigo. Gracias! :)
Post edited August 13, 2015 by vicklemos
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Kristian: Intel can't even remotely compete performance wise. AMD ruined a laptop I owned and make shitty drivers. So that only leaves one choice for me.
Not as as shitty as the king of shit, nvidia, that made drivers so hardcore shitty they bsod laptops everywhere on Windows 10. What the fuck were they thinking?

See how that works? Besides, fact is, it was probably the fault of your shitty laptop producer that made your shitty laptop shit bricks when presented with normal drivers.

Or you fucked up yourself and blame AMD for your incompetence. Cool story brah
I use nVidia currently. However, I am looking in to buying an AMD for more processing power. It's surprising how fast these cards get old.
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vicklemos: I know the people at Intel are working their asses off, but wouldn't it be great if we had integrated graphics comparable to off board amd/nvidia ones, even in terms of "heavy" gaming? I'd love to see that.
Two big reasons that come in mind are heat and power delivery. Dedicated card can have much better cooling than chip integrated in same package with cpu (cpu and gpu heating each other) also motherboard power delivery would need to be quite special sort to power both high end cpu and gpu.
As long as graphics cards manufacturers bother making dedicated cards it should be rather easy to make them better performance than integrated.
Post edited August 14, 2015 by yberkurko