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Dark_art_: but the categories on the Linux Mint menu itself makes find stuff so fast...
Yes, the categories are good. That's what I ended up doing. Set up a categories system for most used programs/games. Moved stuff around a bit. Might take getting used to, but most common stuff I use should now be available easily after a couple of clicks without scrolling. I don't mind scrolling/typing for items that I used once in a while; it's just having to scroll for a game that I run several times daily that annoyed me. And I liked to keep my desktop clean so don't generally put shortcuts there.

I'll see how it looks after it gets filled up with games/programs, but I think it should work. I loved those expanding menus, one of the last things left over from Windows 9x but there comes a time when you have to let go, I suppose.


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So in the week that I have been using it, the system froze on me 3 times now. Hope it's not a sign of things to come. None of the times I was doing anything special in particular. I was playing with settings in two of them (though at the time of free I wasn't changing any setting; just happened in the middle of reading). The third time it happened I was browsing Linux Mint forums on Firefox.

No error messages or anything. Just a complete freeze. Mouse and keyboard not responding.

Is there anything one can try doing in such a case? I just did a hard reset.
The system freeze doesn't sound good. You can check the system logs (administration>>logs) to check if anything unusual happened at that time.


It is probably not related since you mentioned you are using Firefox but currently there is a bug in the 79th version of Google Chrome which makes it keep freezing constantly on Ubuntu based systems (which Mint is). The bug hasn't been addressed for almost a month now so I am still using version 78.
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ZFR: So in the week that I have been using it, the system froze on me 3 times now. Hope it's not a sign of things to come. None of the times I was doing anything special in particular. I was playing with settings in two of them (though at the time of free I wasn't changing any setting; just happened in the middle of reading). The third time it happened I was browsing Linux Mint forums on Firefox.

No error messages or anything. Just a complete freeze. Mouse and keyboard not responding.

Is there anything one can try doing in such a case? I just did a hard reset.
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Engerek01: The system freeze doesn't sound good. You can check the system logs (administration>>logs) to check if anything unusual happened at that time.

It is probably not related since you mentioned you are using Firefox but currently there is a bug in the 79th version of Google Chrome which makes it keep freezing constantly on Ubuntu based systems (which Mint is). The bug hasn't been addressed for almost a month now so I am still using version 78.
Now that you have mentioned it… I've got such freezes recently while using "Waterfox 56" while my PC used "Ryzen 1200" on a Fedora. The freezes most probably were CPU related (some logs mentioned CPU errors) as on the previous system (FX-8320E) everything was OK. The freezes vanished after upgrading to Ryzen 3600.

Maybe this is related?
Sorry to bother you yet again, good people of this thread, but perhaps one of you would have an answer to this:
https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=208&t=309584

a) Not possible to rearrange manually. Has to be alphabetical, with the exception of Administration and Preferences.

More importantly:
b) No good way to move items between categories. If I move something from Drawing to Office for example it still appears in both.

I mean I can live with the fact that there is no "easy" way of drag-and-dropping it like in Windows, but surely there must be a way of putting it in what category you want.
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ZFR: Is there anything one can try doing in such a case? I just did a hard reset.
REISUB is better than a hard reset. (busier backwards).


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ZFR: Sorry to bother you yet again, good people of this thread, but perhaps one of you would have an answer to this:
https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=208&t=309584
You really need to add your system info to your posts there. They have no idea what version of Mint /w Cinnamon you are running. Particularly for the crash on shutdown. E.G. add
the output of inxi -Fxxxz run in a terminal. Copy the output and paste into your reply in between [code][/code] tags.
to your posts there.
Post edited January 15, 2020 by Gydion
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ZFR: 1) Would any of you here by any chance know a solution to this issue:
https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=90&t=309375&sid=81edfe3451d426923a49eacfd4f994cb
It's the single thing which really messes up my experience so far. Having to scroll to the end if I want to run a program that starts with a letter from the end of the alphabet. Is there no way to display all programs at once? It doesn't have to be exactly like the classical windows menu, just a way that gives me a full list without scrolling.
If not, anything similar. Any workarounds, applets, third party tools, anything?
As you already found out, there used to be a classic style menu under applets, but it doesn't seem to be available any more. I'm sure it'll return eventually though as there seems to be demand for it.

Personally I don't mind the default menu (search is very fast & anything I want more immediate access to I put on the desktop), but it's a matter of personal preference I guess.

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ZFR: 2) About installing programs. I've set up my installation so the 45GB partition is mounted as root, while the 130GB is mounted as /home, because I was under the impression that the root one will just contain the OS, while /home is where all the user's installed programs will go.
However, all programs installed from the Install Manager go to the root partition. I understand that it goes to /usr /lib /etc folders and so on, but this means that slowly but steadily my root partition is getting filled up, while my home partition has... nothing.
I've got only 30GB free on the root one, and I haven't installed any games yet. Once the games start arriving, at this rate I'll run out of space real soon.
Is there anything that can be done that doesn't involve reinstalling from scratch?
45GB will most likely be plenty. Stuff installed from the repositories (or via .deb packages) is installed to fixed locations but GOG games are installed to wherever you want them (as long as the current user has write permission for the location you want to install to - on a related note, never run GOG installers as root). Similarly, Steam will install to whereever you set your library path(s) to (the default path is ~/.steam/steam/steamapps).

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ZFR: So in the week that I have been using it, the system froze on me 3 times now. Hope it's not a sign of things to come. None of the times I was doing anything special in particular. I was playing with settings in two of them (though at the time of free I wasn't changing any setting; just happened in the middle of reading). The third time it happened I was browsing Linux Mint forums on Firefox.

No error messages or anything. Just a complete freeze. Mouse and keyboard not responding.

Is there anything one can try doing in such a case? I just did a hard reset.
I would suspect something driver related. When I've had this happen to me before it's almost always been due to broken graphics drivers (the open drivers for Nvidia graphics cards in particular have a tendency for doing this). The other times have been due to issues with the hardware itself, e.g. the defect that affected some first gen Ryzen CPUs (and in that case I had to RMA my R7 1700 & get a replacement).

If you're running an Nvidia GPU, add the proprietary drivers PPA then install the latest available Nvidia driver; if you're running an AMD or Intel GPU then you should add Kisak's stable Mesa PPA and then simply update your system. Also make sure you're running the latest available kernel (5.3.0-26 at the time of writing).

As Gydion posted, if it's possible to do so then using 'Magic SysRq' to force a more controlled reboot of the system is better than a hard reset.
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adamhm: ...
Thanks. And thanks again for the guide.

No more freezes since I've upgraded NVidia's drivers. And I've used it for heavy duty stuff since.

I'm now completely moved. Wrote a few bash scripts to simulate some of the stuff I missed in Windows 7. It's perfect.

Train Valley 2 was officially my first game on Linux. And I have the dual-boot for anything that won't run.
What would be, from best to worse, the more stable graphic drivers on Linux in your opinion? Or perhaps the best in regards to performance in gaming?
For many years I have stuck with the radeon open source driver, so I was wondering if Intel chips/drivers more stable than AMD, and how the new drivers AMDGPU(?) are doing.
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Gede: What would be, from best to worse, the more stable graphic drivers on Linux in your opinion? Or perhaps the best in regards to performance in gaming?
For many years I have stuck with the radeon open source driver, so I was wondering if Intel chips/drivers more stable than AMD, and how the new drivers AMDGPU(?) are doing.
Modern AMD cards with amdgpu is the best option.
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Gede: What would be, from best to worse, the more stable graphic drivers on Linux in your opinion? Or perhaps the best in regards to performance in gaming?
For many years I have stuck with the radeon open source driver, so I was wondering if Intel chips/drivers more stable than AMD, and how the new drivers AMDGPU(?) are doing.
Never had a problem with proprietary gpu drivers so far, don't game much though.
Had some random crashes but the cause were installed nVidia drivers on a AMD gpu pc (moved the hard drive between computers, as I do regularly.).

When moved from a 750ti to a Rx480, screen tearing seem to be better. Not sure if its the drivers, configuration or the much powerfull video card itself.
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Gede: What would be, from best to worse, the more stable graphic drivers on Linux in your opinion? Or perhaps the best in regards to performance in gaming?
I agree with shmerl here, amdgpu (*not* amdgpu-pro) seems to be the most reliable graphics driver we have.

Performances seems to be great too, but I have no real comparison point (my only computer with a nVIDIA GPU runs the "nouveau" Mesa driver). What I can say is that performances in my case are good enough to run all of my games with no real issue.
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Gede: What would be, from best to worse, the more stable graphic drivers on Linux in your opinion? Or perhaps the best in regards to performance in gaming?
For many years I have stuck with the radeon open source driver, so I was wondering if Intel chips/drivers more stable than AMD, and how the new drivers AMDGPU(?) are doing.
Nvidia's proprietary drivers are generally quite stable and they are quickly updated to support new hardware releases. The downsides are that they're proprietary and may have compatibility issues with newer kernels until they've been updated to support them. Nvidia have also been pretty hostile towards the open drivers though and as a result their open drivers don't perform very well at all, so if you have an Nvidia GPU their proprietary drivers are the only good choice.

AMD's new 'AMDGPU' open source drivers are very good - I currently use an RX480 in my main system and the performance and stability has been excellent. The downside is that support for new hardware can be quite slow to arrive unless you're running cutting-edge kernels and Mesa, and even then it's probably best to wait a few months or so for launch issues to be sorted out. Their proprietary 'AMDGPU-PRO' drivers aren't bad either AFAIK, but it's not really worth bothering with them unless you have a very recently launched GPU that your system's kernel/Mesa doesn't support yet.

As for Intel, their drivers are generally ok in my experience (and open source), just don't expect much from integrated GPUs.
Post edited January 19, 2020 by adamhm
Thank you for your information. I keep reading bad things about the AMD drivers. It is nice to see they are not that bad.
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adamhm: [...] just don't expect much from integrated GPUs.
How exactly do you mean this? Do they perform worse on Linux than on Windows?


And an unrelated question (demonstrating my ignorance, but what the heck): Can browser add-ons be installed on Linux?
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HypersomniacLive: How exactly do you mean this? Do they perform worse on Linux than on Windows?
Not worse, they are just low end in general, so aren't good for demanding games for example.

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HypersomniacLive: And an unrelated question (demonstrating my ignorance, but what the heck): Can browser add-ons be installed on Linux?
Sure, modern browser add-ons use JavaScript and other Web technologies - they don't rely on compiled code so they can work on any OS.
Post edited January 21, 2020 by shmerl