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Wow!! Thank you very much! Another 3 games in just a few days!
I hope that quantum thing goes well for you!
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Ghorpm: Does it count that I often light my gas cooker with a laser? Mostly because I think a match or this fancy sparky thing to be lame ;)
Now I know why you like Prelogate, perhaps you work with laser spectroscopy and the game reminded you of work equipment. You would love CLARC, if you don't already have it I'm most certain you would enjoy that game.
Btw are you talking about cooking your lunch and you're using laser only for ignition and then cook the food conventionally with gas? (Just asking because simply using the gas cooker for probes isn't geeky enough) Why not use the laser to heat the cooking pot directly, just for fun? There would probably be a lot of heat conduction loss so it's not a super effective method. Then again, I don't know how many mW your laser has and I'm too tired (=lazy) to calculate how strong it would have to be if we take all the heat loss into account and the type of pot and food etc. Maybe you can figure this out on your next lunch break?
This is why I appreciate games like CLARC, you don't need to worry about such technicalities, just point the lasers into the right direction and all is well, you can fry enemy robots just by redirecting lasers into them and stuff like that, very simple but fun. The lasers in CLARC are a bit more powerful than the ones in your lab, the cooking pot would disintegrate so obviously that wouldn't work for cooking.

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awalterj:
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Ghorpm: I'm sorry but your bet is not a quantum bet, according to our theory. Please read this post for more explanations. You've clearly successfully created a quantum state of wanting and not wanting at the same time but it's a static quantum state and a quantum bet require some fluctuations (see aforementioned post).
Ah, I thought you would say that! Apparently, you're a typical scientist so no wonder you're changing your theory as you go. But there is no escape, my bet is still a "quantum bet" even if you became more specific with the requirements in that later post. The amplitudes of wanting and not wanting fluctuate every bit as much in my quantum bet (keep/break vow & giveaway) as in yours (interview & $1000 charity) So, my bet has every bit as much "quantum buzz" as your bet.

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Ghorpm: As you have already said: breaking a vow means that your financial situation has already improved
Not necessarily! In fact, I just broke my vow yesterday even though my financial situation hasn't improved. The resulting giveaway can be found here.

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Ghorpm: . And the theory assume that condition A should create only a possibility that in future action B would be regarded as not as bad as it seemed at the time you performed it. In your case the effect is immediate.
I said that I have to take action B (make a giveaway) if condition A happens (=braking the vow), I did not say it will depend on how much I want to take action B, or if at all. There can be great fluctuations. In the case of Frozen Synapse, I don't mind making a giveaway as the giveaway costs not one extra cent. The purchase included 2 codes already. I could in some cases not want to make a giveaway despite suddenly getting rich or I could in other cases really want to make a giveaway despite being poor.
In this case, what you described as "or at least don't care about taking this action" comes into effect. I neither really want to make the giveaway as I don't even know if the game is good yet, nor do I really not want to make the giveaway because it creates no extra expenses.

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Ghorpm: Let's consider this situation: you spend your last money on a game. This new game can hypothetically make you earn more (it can be inspiration for you to create your own game and being successful and stuff like that) but let's face it - the probability is very low and your mind won't consider an option that buying a new game will bring you a lot of money (which would indeed make creating a giveaway less harmful) so once again your mind won't create a quantum buzz that can change the reality.
Nevertheless, the possibility that a game suddenly kickstarts some yet untapped motivation & energy does exist. Also, a game might work the other way as a negative motivator. Maybe a game makes me so fed up about playing games (and being poor) that I'll jump up and start to mobilize energy from wherever to get myself out of this relative poverty. It's not absolute poverty by the way, just relative (I still have food and all the basics). Relative allows for more variables than the absolute, and consequently more quantum buzz generation possibilities as my options arent't quite as limited as for someone living in absolute poverty.

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Ghorpm: So a quantum bet is definitely NOT something that you always want to lose. A quantum bet is a risk that you are willing to take. Look at my case: getting a greenlight for a publication is the very first step. But it may happen that reviewers will turn it down or that even if I publish it, it won't have any impact on my career (frankly, pretty high chance for that) so in the end there is a risk that I will lose something (even if it's not much) and gain absolutely nothing at all. That's the risk of a quantum bet.
My quantum bet carries risk as well, or shall I say quantum risk. Yes... that sounds good. Quantum quantum quantum!
As you said, there's a chance that by breaking my vow I get a game that ends up inspiring me and converts my loss into a win, or I might risk relapsing completely and into a state worse than before and going totally broke or even into debt. Plenty of quantum risk there.
So I'd say I'm 100% within the required parameters for a quantum bet with a quantum buzz. How about giving me a quantum break? (Don't go change the parameters or something, I'm watching you, you and your quantumisms!)

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Ghorpm: So yeah, it's kinda my fault that you misunderstood the concept of a quantum bet because I cannot really give you many details. Our theory is absolutely not general it was fitted to our brains. And since nobody can give a general info how a human's brain work we had to adjust it to our brains that, while we obviously can't fully understand, we still have a little more information about them.
You are clearly more intelligent than me in certain ways, as one can easily observe by how you get less stuck in the same games compared to me. On the other hand, having grown up in a hillbilly village in the Alps I have farmer's wits so you won't be able to easily trick me, or trick me at all. No matter how many quantum stops you're trying to pull.
I'll use quantum farmer's wits to bypass all your quantum tricks.
Post edited January 15, 2015 by awalterj
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awalterj: snip
First - about lasers. Laser beam is collimated, which means it would form a single "dot" while hitting a pot. I would need hundreds of lasers to even think about heating a whole pot. And if I used a higher energy laser it would simply burn a hole in the pot. I only have three lasers and since I'm not suicidal none of them has higher energy. So yeah, just ignition of gas with a laser, sorry to disappoint you.

And about quantum bets... we are talking from different points of view, your explanations are convincing but for classical mechanics, I talk quantum. You've mentioned fluctuations... yeah, you are are right but even a simple change of mood would cause this want/don't want state to fluctuate. That's not the fluctuation I'm talking about. But I can't really explain it properly, at least not without using sentences like: "the eigenstates of the Hamiltonian are not the same as the particle number operators". So it's not really about being smart (I'm sure that despite your modesty you are smart) but about knowledge of quantum mechanics. As you can see I still don't agree but I'll pass. After all I don't know your brain good enough and in this theory quantum tools play a very major role so perhaps your brain is quantum enough to make this works even though it doesn't look like a quantum bet.

Oh, and I liked this comment about scientists changing their theories. So very true :D