Menzoberranzan suffers from terrible controls and is a chore to move
Ravenloft when it comes here is worse than previous.

Pool of radiance games are slow and terrible. They aren't hard they just suck
Eye of the beholder would be excellent if it had music and sound like the Super nes version. This version sucks.
Hillsfar isn't an rpg its a simulation game with stats. It sucks also

I don't know why they call this place good old games. Its more like good old crap. Still Dungeon hack is a good find.

While I respect anyone's opinion I am going to have to STRONGLY disagree with yours...

As I can't comment on Menzo and Ravenloft (never played), saying the EOTB SNES version is better because of the music??? How about the controls? Nothing like controlling a mouse cursor with a d-pad. I will give you this, it isn't the best version that goes to the Amiga.

Saying that PoR sucks, I don't know if you are just trolling or need to go back to your console Call of Duty games. IMHO, nothing comes close to the pen and paper like the gold box games. Rich in story, combat and exploration. Try playing the later games on the highest level difficulty and then come and talk. Take it off novice!!!!

Who said Hillsfar was an RPG? Is was always marketed as an action adventure game, look at the front of the box!!!

They call this place good old games because it is exactly what it is!!!! What is your definition?

Z.

I don't know why you intend to defend PORadiance. It is not an rpg. It is more tactical rpg and thus there is no storytelling. Planescape Torment has storytelling, Knights of the Old Republic has storytelling, Baldurs Gate and Icewind Dale even have it. There is no story, no plot, and the only people that play it are NERDY D&Dragons nerds who grew up with the game. I know the rules and grew up with d&d but I wont play it because there is no story and the combat Is easy while rules are cheap. You get poisoned, you get removed from fight. That's not hard that's cheap.

There's a difference between a hard game and a game that just has ridiculously stupid rules that don't do anything but make it so the only people who will finish this game are d&d fans of the genre and masochists. The combat is not challenging its just the rules.

If you want to prove your point, then do this-Get 1000 people who have never played the game and have no experience with 2nd edition d & d. Let them play the game and see how ALL 1000 players quit the game and never play it again. Like I said it is impossible to get far with the game without knowing an in-depth understanding Dungeons and Dragons.

The games you play aren't hard they just require you to read 60 pages of the manual before playing, while playing and after playing. While you are doing that I am already 3 hours into Geneforge, Dungeon Hack or Baldurs Gate. If you want to give yourself over to a game that will cause you many hours of aggravation then be my guest. :)

I think you have misunderstood. RPGs are not about story. If you want story there's plenty of books and movies to chose from.

I thought that was the point to liking the game. If I don't like the game and it causes large amount of frustration then it sucks-End of story. If I am not amused by the game and it causes frustration then why play it. I made this topic because I want people to understand how you should avoid crappy games like this. I am only helping people out from not wasting their money.

When working all day, I get home and want to relax and enjoy a game. I don't want to get frustrated. I am only trying to help people from wasting their time. How is that bad? You should be thanking me!

That's ok. The gold box games have always separated the men from the boys. :)

That is my point...how can you say that they are crappy if you have never played them? Wasting their money, not a chance. Wasting money is when you wife and two daughters go to the salon and drop 500. Now that is wasting money!!!!!!!!!!!!

I agree, when I get home from work I sometimes too want to play a mindless game with no frustrations. That is where Diablo 3 comes in. :)

On this site, you will find that most people like the gold box games more than not! It's like saying the early Ultima and might and magic games suck because they are hard and frustrating.


Z.

Wow, this thread = someone is getting revelation that story isn't important in games at all.

And that's the reason why people like old games, because they have no invasive storytelling and such. Story isn't even of tertiary importance. Even in CRPGs.

I wonder, what kind of story OP found in Dungeon Hack?:))

What about people who don't fit in either category?

Children from the adults would probably be more apt.

There are people other than men who like these games but they are rarer than a tarrasque on Toril.

One problem, I have ran into more non-men in real life who like these games than there are tarrasques on Toril, therefore the claim you make is flat-out wrong.

Although, the sexist 1st edition rule about female strength may have made them feel less welcome in the early days of the hobby; on the other hand, I believe many Dungeon Masters rule zeroed the rule out. If I ever get into tabletop RPGs, I will refuse to play with a DM who enforces this rule, and if I ever DM 1st edition AD&D (or any other role-playing system with a similar sexist rule) I will rule zero that rule away.

Here's a nice quote from an interview with Rebecca "Burger" Heineman: The interview (which I recommend, especially if you are a fan of the old Bard's Tale games) can be found at:
http://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/134614/the_burger_speaks_an_interview_.php

The quote is at the bottom of page 4 (out of 7 pages).

I was referring more to pnp. But I do agree that the stigma surrounding the rpg has been lessened greatly since the old days. This is a good thing! When I was in high school you couldn't get a date if you mentioned DND. We had to keep it on the down-low.

Anyway, back to the original topic, here are some flaws with Dungeon Hack:

Class Balance: The classes are not created equal. Clerics are easily the best class because they automatically learn all their spells. Furthermore, many of those spells make the game much easier and remove certain dangers entirely. (For instance, there is a spell that eliminates the need to find rations.) Mage spells aren't as useful (except Improved Identity, which has no clerical counterpart), plus finding them is dependent on the RNG (and unlike in Pool of Radiance, you don't get to choose spells at level up). Thieves are the worst, with their lockpick ability being unnecessary unless you happen to trigger a bug, and their fighting abilities inferior to that of a fighter or cleric.

Enemy distribution: With the exception of one "boss" enemy on each floor, each floor has only 2 enemy types. This can make many floors boring and many floors frustrating. Furthermore, the enemies don't scale in difficulty the way they should. Cockatrices and level draining undead appear far earlier than they should, and monsters on the later floors often fail to pose a threat.

Difficulty options: This is the most interesting feature of the game, but there are still a few issues with it. Enemy difficulty can be set, but it also affects experience gains; it would be nice to set them separately. There is an option to disable undead, but there should have been an option to just disable level draining, as well as one to disable instant death attacks used against the player. Enemy spellcasters are too scarce even with Enemy Spellcasting turned on, and the Character Death Real option isn't true permadeath; as long as you don't actually die, you can just reload if something unfortunate happens. Also, there should have been some options regarding identifying items: the option to make all items, or better yet items of certain types, automatically identified should have been in the game. (Some players enjoy dealing with unidentified items, but some do not.)

Performance: Even on a modern machine, the game lags sometimes. Plus, the game sometimes seems to pause for loading assets, even though it should be instantaneous on a modern hard drive (it even happens with the game installed on an SSD).

Im just over here snickering in delight that some guy thinks "I don't like it" equals "it's objectively bad". Look, buddy, if you haven't figured out yet that different people like different things then I have serious concerns about your ability to ever take no for an answer or be particularly good at anything involving teamwork or democracy. Spoiler. Other people exist, are people, have thoughts, have feelings, and don't exist to mirror you or your thoughts or feelings. We have our own, and that means that we can and will have different thoughts and feelings than you. Fun, right? Some people genuinely enjoy the difficulty posed by older games. I didn't grow up with gold box games, but I'm playing them now and enjoying them. I don't particularly favor dnd as a table top game (I'm a white wolf and shadowrun kind of guy) but I love dnd video games and dnd inspired video games. Spoiler, even Final Fantasy was inspired by dnd. That's why it has spells per day in the first and third ff games. The bottom line is that if you like rpgs in your video games, these games are the reason you have them. If you don't, then you are what ww call a biased reviewer and should be viewed as having an opinion that won't resonate with people who do like them. You're entitled to your bias, but so are we. The place you want wrong was assuming that you are and others aren't. Yeah. That's a bad look. Maybe don't do that.