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ArthurWalden: Admittedly, one of the difficulties in playing gold box is that it is sometimes difficult to reach a training hall when you need one and that it particularly true in Curse.
That's why I advise against dual-classing at the start of CotAB, and I consider this to be a case of mean game design.

(It may also be part of the reason that, if I get around to actually playing these games, I'll probably start with SotSB.)
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ArthurWalden: Thanks, 01kipper.

Just be cautioned that you will probably want to complete your quest in the Hap, Cave of the Dracolich, and Tower of Dracandros area before you leave it to go train. If you return to the World Map, Akabar bel Akash (if he's with you) will leave your party permanently and all your drow weapons and armor will instantly decay. (Of course, you have to return to the World Map eventually, but I would suggest you finish up there first. Note that once you enter the Tower of Dracandros you will have to complete it anyway before you can escape. Also be aware that once Dracandros is dead some encounters in the cave and tower become inactive, so complete them first.)

Admittedly, one of the difficulties in playing gold box is that it is sometimes difficult to reach a training hall when you need one and that it particularly true in Curse. Of course, you can use GBC's instant train anywhere feature if that gets annoying enough. Since I haven't yet used it myself, I don't know if that feature of GBC makes the games significantly easier than they were designed to be. (You've heard my reservations about the instant heal and instant recover spells features.)
Thanks for the headsup, I am still working the dracolich cave and will remember what you have said, I am after all a dyed-in-the-wool completionist (thank my adhd for that).

I have a technical question, for once! The walkthroughs that have been recommended here advised that my melee chars (paladin/ranger/ranger/cleric) should all wear banded mail instead of plate mail because the latter slows you down more than is excusable for the gain in AC.

But my guys have normal Banded Mail on them, from the first shop in the game, and they are 12-movement unarmored and 9-movement with Banded Mail on. And 9-movement with Plate Mail on.

So according to the game, this plate mail offers no substantial movement loss over Banded Mail at all?

Picture of my Paladin in current state: https://i.imgur.com/qjP1R0s.png
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dtgreene: That's why I advise against dual-classing at the start of CotAB, and I consider this to be a case of mean game design.

(It may also be part of the reason that, if I get around to actually playing these games, I'll probably start with SotSB.)
I tend to strongly advise anyone playing the games these days to use the Gold Box Companion. Curse is really bad about this. Dark Queen of Krynn is pretty bad, too given that in one of the dungeons you can earn huge amounts of experience to the point of overflowing, and there's no easy way to leave and come back to the same point.

GBC may be a cheat, but it also smoothes out a lot of the issues that come with adherence to old 1st Ed rules (like the sexist STR rules I know peeve you a bit)
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Arknell: But my guys have normal Banded Mail on them, from the first shop in the game, and they are 12-movement unarmored and 9-movement with Banded Mail on. And 9-movement with Plate Mail on.

So according to the game, this plate mail offers no substantial movement loss over Banded Mail at all?

Picture of my Paladin in current state: https://i.imgur.com/qjP1R0s.png
Do you have a picture wearing the plate mail? Normal plate mail movement speed in all of the games is 6, Banded is 9. Enchanted plate mail is 9 movement, while enchanted banded is 12. If you were wearing enchanted plate mail +1, there should be no difference in movement (if you picked it out of loot, cast detect magic to check if enchanted but not identified)

I can't think of any of the GB games where this is different.
Post edited April 22, 2024 by Luneward
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Luneward: Dark Queen of Krynn is pretty bad, too given that in one of the dungeons you can earn huge amounts of experience to the point of overflowing, and there's no easy way to leave and come back to the same point.
Which is part of why I don't understand how people claim to have gotten much higher than level 20 in that game. That game tends to trap you deep into very hostile territory.
Yeah, I got that about Dark Queen. Still, what would you say is the minimum average party level needed to win the game?
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dtgreene: That's why I advise against dual-classing at the start of CotAB, and I consider this to be a case of mean game design.

(It may also be part of the reason that, if I get around to actually playing these games, I'll probably start with SotSB.)
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Luneward: I tend to strongly advise anyone playing the games these days to use the Gold Box Companion. Curse is really bad about this. Dark Queen of Krynn is pretty bad, too given that in one of the dungeons you can earn huge amounts of experience to the point of overflowing, and there's no easy way to leave and come back to the same point.

GBC may be a cheat, but it also smoothes out a lot of the issues that come with adherence to old 1st Ed rules (like the sexist STR rules I know peeve you a bit)
I'd rather just hex edit my save file than use some piece of proprietary software (other than the game) at that point.

My experiment with setting somebody's gender to 2, then finding that "Modify Character" would allow me to raise the character's Strength to 100 (not as useful as it sounds), has given me an idea of how I might be able to find the racial/gender stat caps in the binary and then just hex edit the stat caps there.
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ArthurWalden: Yeah, I got that about Dark Queen. Still, what would you say is the minimum average party level needed to win the game?
Probably 13, though the backline should be multi-class mages in that case (yes, Level 11/12 multi-class mages). The front line will need the back line to carry them a lot more; there's a pretty big jump in power between warrior 13 and 17 that the game absolutely assumes you have.
Post edited April 24, 2024 by atmasabr