Fallout 1 and 2 were masterpieces, but I enjoy 3, 4 and New Vegas just as much.

While many fans of the older games say that 3 and 4 r**ed the series of what it stood for and what it meant to be.

But here's the thing, despite people's views of Fallout 3 and 4, people can't deny for what they are, that if they didn't have the Fallout title, they'd be more forgiving towards it..

This in turn means that the hate is solely biased on the title, rather than what the game itself is.

I mean, take a game like Farcry, a rather well known, popular series.
What if THAT had the Fallout 3 title slapped on it instead?

Devs: It's barely anything like Fallout, but it has the title so that automatically makes it part of the Fallout canon, deal with it!

Fallout 1,2 fans would be foaming at the mouth for such a thing to happen. But seeing as Farcry ISN'T a Fallout title, such a hatedom doesn't exist.

That's what I'm saying. If Fallout 3 was called "Apocalypse Run" or something like that. The Fallout 1 and 2 fans would be more forgiving for it. And as I said, the bias is solely in the title, not with the game itself. Because if Fallout 3 wasn't a Fallout title, why should the Fallout 1 and 2 community give a cr** about how it plays?

I'm not trying to flamebait! :( I am saying all this, because I like trying to analyze exactly what the beef is, then dissecting it and using positive logic in hopes that I can unite the two sides of the fandom <3

Also, I will never make a post like this again.

That's all bullshit. I'm not a Fallout 'fanboy' in any sense of the word, and I was a latecomer to the series (shock/horror!), meaning I played Fallout 3 *before* I'd ever touched 1 and 2. And guess what? I *hated* Fallout 3, even though I forced myself to slog through it. Soon afterwards I played Fallout 1 and was happy as a bear in a honey factory, same with Fallout 2. I then decided to try Fallout New Vegas, since I'd heard it was far superior to 3. Nuh uh! Hated it. So yes, I *can* "deny for what they are" (whatever that means), and if they had been called something else they'd still be crap.

Edit: Oh, and for the record... that's just my opinion.

Fallout 3 is terrible because it's unoriginal and adds nothing to the story.

I imagine the following conversation at Bethesda:

"Well, we got a new IP! It's Fallout!"

"Never heard of it."

"That's ok, we'll just say we're huge fans of it, skim the plot of 1 and 2 and transplant it into Oblivion. Nobody will ever tell the difference."

It's soulless. It's lazy. It's crap.

If it wasn't Fallout, it would have sold like crap. Nobody would even remember it. It'd be like Rage, which was also a better game than Fallout 3.

Or you know it sold because people "enjoyed it" if it was the piece of crap that you say it is, 4 or New Vegas would have not only bombed but wouldn't have even been made due to the "massive hatedom"

Though the only "major" hate is only from the 1,2 fans but even then that's a minority, as like with Doctor Who, many fans of the original series moved on and enjoyed the new one all the same.

"Bethesda-Fallout" are bestselling games, not because it was cashing in on the title, but because people love the games for what they are :)

But I never wanted this to turn into a huge argument and I apologize :'(

It is the most generic open world game ever. It was being sold in the middle of a period where the open world market had been totally over-saturated. If it had been an original IP, as your argument in the original post stated, it would have been lost in the shuffle.

The game has nothing that stands out. All of the quests are generic. The plot is uninspired and the only thing that makes it stand out is the franchise name.

And just because you state in some bizarre passive aggressive weird way that you didn't mean to argue doesn't mean you aren't.

And what kind of response is that? Person A posts something. Person B refutes it. Person A states that they didn't want to debate their post. If you didn't want to debate it, you keep it to yourself.

I respect your opinion :) it's all a matter of preferences towards setting, atmosphere and such. My major conflict with the "genwunners" for lack of a better word, is the attitude. Many refuse to accept the game, solely because it's a sequel they didn't want, and hate it so much because of that, that they see the game as worse than it really is. I wasn't expecting people to lash out at me, for simply saying "hey the game's not that bad, come'on you know it's not that bad a game"
(It's all in the wording... I should have worded it better, but even then I'd never get through to anyone anyway so what was even the point?)
But deep down I know people would hence my "I never intended this to be flamebait"

I don't hate F3 or 4, but they are not really Fallout. They are ok games in and of themselves, but they are two vastly different types of games.

F1 and F2 are roleplaying turn-based tactical games in an isolinear viewpoint. F3 and F4 are first/third person action shooters with a leveling-up system.

I don't mind different types of games...but IMO sequels always fail when they switch up the base mechanics of the game, which F3 and F4 did. I say the same thing when it comes to X-COM and X-COM Interceptor...just because they both have X-COM in the name doesn't mean they're really sequels of each other - and the original creators of X-COM agree to that :)

And another bizarre comment.
Lash out at you? So now criticisms of the game are personal attacks.

No no, I'm specifically referring to the (since removed) post calling me a ****

(I removed the rest of my post, as it was complete nonsensical bullsh**)

Calling you a what?

I'm only posting what I saw verbatim. I guess the forums literally censored it, whatever you typed.

But anyway, I apologize to everyone here.

I knew what I was getting into, but I impulsively posted that anyway. Hoping people would understand what I was trying to say (regardless how little it made sense)

I apologize for being a creep, "admittingly" being an arrogant jerk. I apologize for everything else. Please, I'm sorry. I just want this to end.

Do you have *any* idea how ridiculous that post sounds? You did it full well knowing what you were doing and yet expect the bleating "apology" above will be believed? I can only come to one conclusion: if you want it to end just STFU, because you're digging a hole as you go...

New Vegas sold because guys who were behing old Fallout were working on it and old farts who remembered the names started shilling (me included) on various forums and to friends.

Hmm... it's rather a weird irony, as I've seen others sh**-post on forums, going on and on about garbage, needing to have the last word and refusing to let it go, and alienating the entire community. I saw them as trolls and losers who were just embarrasing themselves.

That is why I'm leaving this discussion, because I am letting it go. I made my apology, there is nothing more I can do.