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I have never played an Eador game. I've read that Genesis and Masters of the Broken World are basically the same game, but Masters of the Broken World updated the graphics. I checked out the YouTube videos of both games, and I really prefer the graphics of Masters of the Broken World. However, I've also read that Masters of the Broken World is incomplete and have a lot of bugs and glitches.

I'm wondering if Masters of the Broken World have been sufficiently fixed (either with official or fan-made patches,) and if I should just skip Genesis and get Masters of the Broken World, (given that Masters of the Broken World is mostly a remake of Genesis, there would be no reason for me to get Genesis if I get Masters of the Broken World.)
While I have heard that most of the major problems have been fixed, it's still probably still a bit buggy, and of course it's $14 more expensive. Masters of the Broken World has made a few fairly minor changes (campaign shortened, added immunities to certain status effects), but it's mostly the same. However, two advantages that Eador: Genesis has are the animation speeds (although this one is very subjective as Eador: Genesis has almost no animations at all), and the fact that Eador: Genesis has an amazing mod called "New Horizons" (see more in this thread:http://www.gog.com/forum/eador_series/new_horizons_mod_release) which adds tons of content, but currently has a game-breaking bug that crashes the game, but only in the campaign, and this is being worked on in addition to a decent amount of more minor bugs (translation issues, mostly).
Post edited December 18, 2013 by GOGwiiisfun
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ktchong: snip
Just FYI, I am currently playing through my first campaign of MotBW, and so far, no bugs, freezes, or glitches (on an XP system, for reference). Mind you, I am probably only a 1/4 of the way through the campaign, so I suppose anything can happen. I don't have Genesis yet, so I can't comment on the differences. But like you, I watched some YouTubes first, and decided to grab MotBW when it was on sale a little while ago. I will also tell you, it is eating up a hell of a lot of my free gaming time, lol. I am thoroughly enjoying it so far, as it has quickly become one of my favorite TBS strategy games. So to the point; so far I haven't been unhappy with my purchase...quite the opposite. I'd say "go for it" :)
Post edited December 19, 2013 by Zoltan999
I had begin with Genesis that I had owned by preoredering MotBW.
I had to wait for some weeks to play with MotBW, for AMD driver problems. So I played Eador 1.
But as soon these ATI bad drivers were ok, I played MotBW without breaking bugs (there are still some bugs, not preventing me from playing), and I prefer this Eador 2 for it is some more complete (the 3D is ok, and there is more basic graphic option if you don't like them).
I can understand some could see the price difference as too big, but it is an excellent HM&M game, even better. So the price is not big as it's quite an AAA game.
Post edited December 19, 2013 by ERISS
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ERISS: I can understand some could see the price difference as too big, but it is an excellent HM&M game, even better. So the price is not big as it's quite an AAA game.
Yeah, I think some of us get very "spoilt" by some of the cheaper prices on lots of games. Considering this sure seems like it's going to be a pretty epic, and long campaign to get to one of the better endings, even at the $9.99 it's on sale for right now, seems like a real lot of quality bang for your buck. I've paid 5 to 6 times that for some AAA games that didn't give me anywhere near the enjoyment I am garnering from MotBW right now, so to me at least, that's gaming money very well spent. BTW, how did you like Genesis? Is it worth picking up and making a playthrough, if I already have MotBW? I'm guessing not, since they are really the same game at heart..
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Zoltan999: BTW, how did you like Genesis? Is it worth picking up and making a playthrough, if I already have MotBW? I'm guessing not, since they are really the same game at heart..
Considering it's only $3 how could you really go wrong? It would also give you a better perspective in these types of threads if you have played and tried both.

I picked up Master during the Insomnia sale for $6 so I could try them both myself. Have not gotten around to it yet though as I have been playing Hearthstone alot lately.
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Zoltan999: , how did you like Genesis? Is it worth picking up and making a playthrough, if I already have MotBW? I'm guessing not, since they are really the same game at heart..
For me, MotBW is a better Eador. The same, but quite more and better. But with more bugs, still...
I think playing the 1st Eador is only usefull for those who can't stand the graphism of MotBW or its bugs.
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ERISS: For me, MotBW is a better Eador. The same, but quite more and better. But with more bugs, still...
I think playing the 1st Eador is only usefull for those who can't stand the graphism of MotBW or its bugs.
Just curious, if you'd indulge me. What type of bugs have you encountered? I had seen on some LP's, some ppl got a freeze up now and again on the strategic battle map, which either required a ctrl-alt-delete, or switching to auto battle (or perhaps it was quick battle?) and then right back to manual to work around that. I haven't had that happen to me, so I don't know if that was fixed in a recent patch, or I am just lucky so far. Anything other than minor /annoying bugs like this?
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EvilLoynis: Considering it's only $3 how could you really go wrong? It would also give you a better perspective in these types of threads if you have played and tried both.

I picked up Master during the Insomnia sale for $6 so I could try them both myself. Have not gotten around to it yet though as I have been playing Hearthstone alot lately.
Good point, probably be a while before I give it a go, between workin my way through MotBW, and trying to chip away on the backlog. As you say, certainly can't beat the price though.
I also picked up Master during the Insomnia sale. I just got lucky when doing one of my "check-ins", and there it was, calling to me
Post edited December 19, 2013 by Zoltan999
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Zoltan999: What type of bugs have you encountered? I had seen on some LP's, some ppl got a freeze up now and again on the strategic battle map, which either required a ctrl-alt-delete, or switching to auto battle (or perhaps it was quick battle?) and then right back to manual to work around that. I haven't had that happen to me, so I don't know if that was fixed in a recent patch, or I am just lucky so far. Anything other than minor /annoying bugs like this?
No major bug for me. At worst I had to quit the game and reload. I must see one minor bug every 5 hours of play.
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Zoltan999: Just curious, if you'd indulge me. What type of bugs have you encountered?...
Worst one I encountered was a turn where AI processing never finished (I suspect it was due to a buggy event). I had to revert to a savegame from a couple of turns previous to work around that.

While I'd give MotBW's graphics a thumbs-up, it comes at a significant performance price (loading, turn processing, etc) and the UI isn't as well thought out as it should be (Genesis' UI isn't too great either though). MotBW's savegame system is more robust though (and it needs to be...) keeping the last 5 turns plus the last 2 campaign moves, compared to Genesis' single slot.
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Zoltan999: Just curious, if you'd indulge me. What type of bugs have you encountered?...
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AstralWanderer: Worst one I encountered was a turn where AI processing never finished (I suspect it was due to a buggy event). I had to revert to a savegame from a couple of turns previous to work around that.

While I'd give MotBW's graphics a thumbs-up, it comes at a significant performance price (loading, turn processing, etc) and the UI isn't as well thought out as it should be (Genesis' UI isn't too great either though). MotBW's savegame system is more robust though (and it needs to be...) keeping the last 5 turns plus the last 2 campaign moves, compared to Genesis' single slot.
I've seen that bug on YouTubes, but so far hasn't happened to me, so I am lucky I guess. For me, the only thing I've noticed so far, is that sometimes when I check my Karma Status title on a shard, my title can sometimes be nothing/neutral as in just "Zoltan", when it should be for instance be "Zoltan the Kind" for instance. Usually, the next turn, when I check it, it is correct again. Just kind of odd. Other than that, haven't notice anything else...yet, anyway.

Regarding the performance, as I haven't yet played Genesis, I guess it doesn't seem so bad to me, as I don't have that to compare it to, and maybe that's a good thing, lol. One other thing thing...I did notice that sometimes sound effects, will lag behind the animations in battle, which sometimes is a tad comical, but more annoying really. Pretty minor though, as gameplay overall seems fine, which is the most important. Thanks for your input :)
I generally prefer the original Eador:Genesis (I got it as a bonus for pre-ordering E:MotBW).

I did play a bit once most of the bugs were shaken out however I normally find all the bling distracting... after the 100th battle or so the graphics only distract and waste time. Larger shards can get painfully slow plus my ageing laptop starts to huff and puff!

Another issue I have is of scale - the Hydra or Dragon needs to be scaled much larger than a slinger or halfing, it's far more noticeable in 3D than in 2D of the original. If it's a remake focussed only on graphics they better be damn good!
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AverageBear: I generally prefer the original Eador:Genesis.
I find all the bling distracting... after the 100th battle or so the graphics only distract and waste time. Larger shards can get painfully slow plus my ageing laptop starts to huff and puff!
Sure, MotBW is not for old laptops, nor for PC with small screen resolution.
Buy a better rig, and you'll prefer MotBW.
@ERISS

Even with a better rig I would still prefer E:G :D

Let me elaborate: When I said 'bling' I meant graphics effects which exist only for the sake of graphical effects; these don't add any useful information. To give an example, in Civ4 if you have the better graphical option turned on the number of 'figures' in any units gives an rough indicator of the strength. Civ5 takes it much further by having lots more figures so you get a more precise idea of the unit strength.

I would really preferred if the graphics in MotBW were used to better indicate important attributes like health, stamina, morale, ammunition. Even a minor change like putting in segmented bars for these (like the health bars in the latest version of League of Legends) would have really improved tactical battles.

Again this boils down to preferences; I rather have a clean and simplistic interface which conveys information rather than lots of ornamental stuff tacked on just make it 'pretty'.
I played Genesis a long time and now started MoBW...

MoBW looks better and have several small improvments like the buildingplan for provinces
but battles are slower through the animations, there are still several smaller Bugs that force you to restart or at least reload from time to time, there several Information you will now miss (how strong is a guard, detailed infos to buff/debuffvalues,...) and the campgainbalancing seem to be even worse...at my first tiny shard the local Lord has Centauerguards protecting his demese...i needed less then 90 min to force him back to his demese..and now i am playing allready hours just to get a force strong enough to beat this guard.

At Genesis i didn't meet Centaurguards at the Hand of Local Lords and Beleth was the first Lord that used them.