People gave you guys plenty of chances. But when a ton of people just get driven out of your forums by frothing fanboys when they voiced criticism, and the admins just watched and let it happen, you get threads like this.

People don't need to "watch how it goes" anymore. They have already seen how it goes. For a long time.
Congratulations. You found a genuine insult. If you read it you can see where the insult is coming from, though.

Actually it seems you are working more against such posts on the GoG forum, really. At the Beamdog forum, if a fan posted things like that against someone who was critical of SoD or something, and admin popped into the thread and told people to watch their language. Didn't ban the fanboy who did it. If a critic replied to an insult with an insult of his own, he\she got banned, though.

I got "jailed" because I had made the same argument 3-4 times - in a year. Even though the topic called for opinions. Do you "jail" people if they say SoD was brilliant 3-4 times in a year too? And how is it possible to get 3 warning points for 1 post? Where is the logic behind that one?

Yes it is a problem, for you, that people have noticed how toxic that forum is. If you are trying to make it better now, good for you. But it certainly wasn't handled well for a long long time. Fans got thrown under the bus if they had any criticism, and the sycophantic fanboys were allowed to attack them left and right with little or no consequences. That is technically a form of fascism, actually.

So the quality of the product was nowhere perfect. And Beamdog knew this. So....why the hell did you guys spin a narrative about all the complaints being a GamerGate attack on Beamdog because of that trans character then? You just said yourself that you were aware that the game was buggy as hell.

And why did the CEO beg people for positive reviews, while he knew (as you just said) that the game was far from perfect?

http://i.imgur.com/vZ0wqFw.png?1

That is just complete dishonesty isn't it? And you wonder why people don't trust Beamdog?

Of course you do.

Just go away, julius. If you could sway people by arguments, you would do that at beamdog forums. But you can't, thus all the banhammer waving.

You would not find any evidence as it was not the volunteer moderators I was referring too. The main individual concerned was Aosaw, also known as Dee.

You may know him better as Dee Pennyway.

Dee was not a volunteer. At the time he was the forum admin and the Beamdog community manager among other things.

My post is nothing more than a historical observation as I have not visited that forum in over five years.

I merely thought it was interesting to see that so many years later, there are fans discussing what I thought may eventually happen.

Other than that I have nothing further to contribute to this discussion.

That was one of the guys who threw the fans under the bus, and really pushed that "transphobia is to blame for everything because Gamergate" narrative.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CfSVGx8XEAIrP6Y.jpg Begging the great Anita for support etc.


https://s13.postimg.org/7hwespvzb/Qlt_Bbmb.png And look what happened to the guy who posted the screenshot of the tweet....Extremely relevant to this thread.

Presumably they have great experience with trying to fix problems they created in the cash-grab operation that is the Embuggered Editions.

It's borderline difficult to believe people inside that organisation can have their head so far up their own behinds as shown in this thread.

But the most sad thing about this whole operation over the last few years, is the utter disrespect shown to these fantastic original games, and that as a consequence of their despicable actions, it is now impossible to buy the original games without having to fork out twice as much for a far inferior product.

That is what happens when you can't handle any form of criticism. Turn an expansion pack to a beloved series into a political add. And have zero ability even consider that they might have made a mistake here and there.

They are basically hijacking a franchise and trying to make it their own. Anyone who has a problem with how poorly they have handled it = Gamergaters or bigots.

The Beamdog Forums have absolutely not improved, despite what Julius claims.

I got this lovely tyrannical PM from a mod today.

http://imgh.us/Beamdog_PM.png

https://forums.beamdog.com/discussion/comment/860462/#Comment_860462 This post was the cause of it.

If you are critical of anything you get warnings, meanings and motives gets added to your words to justify the warning\ban, and the people they just let gang up on you mostly just gets praise.

More of the same behaviour I see. Criticism is trolling, and criticism get you warnings. Persecute people who offer criticism, and that is a-okay -- even by moderators. Quite astonishing to be honest. No wonder they have a bad reputation outside that little puddle.

I like how the mod stresses it was unanimous decision. Nothing wrong with your post there, but it just shows that they still try to censor players' thoughts.

They absolutely do. I responded to the message. Pointing out that I put SJW in quotation marks to avoid drama etc. The mod just went quiet after that.

I disagree a little bit here. All of you are right and I was kicked off of the Beamdog forums too for civil criticism of SoD by Dee, without warning. I am backwards, they are enlightened, and that was it. However, a few weeks ago I posted a skeptical question on the Beamdog forums about PST:EE. Julius did prematurely close my thread, which I was certain would happen since how can they tolerate dissent? They are SJWs who believe in every kind of diversity except diversity of thought. However, he directed his ire at the people insulting me rather than at me. That is an improvement from Dee. This is the difference between Joseph Stalin and Konstantin Chernenko. The Beamdog forum community is still as rabidly leftist as before, and it is difficult for them to hold their contempt for people like me, but Julius does seem to be keeping them in line a little better than Dee, who joined in with the attacks. In AD&D terms, it is a jump from Chaotic Evil to Lawful Evil.

Also, I agree that Trent Oster did not apologize. He blamed the fans and conducted a leftist PR campaign against the fans, recruiting WoTC and Ed Greenwood and whoever else to agree that gays (in all their varieties) are the greatest invention since the wheel, and if you don't absolutely love gays and want them retroactively added into your games, you are a scumbag. Yes, some of you had no problem with SoD except for the quality of the writing, but many of us don't want 2017 Democratic Party immorality injected into our 1998 game. His apologies are PR companyspeak. The company is still full of SJWs like David Gaider and they have not made any apologies for politicizing AD&D because they are probably going to do it again with the next game. The Beamdog forum users are moths drawn to this ideological flame.

Greenwood was more or less just ambushed with the narrative Beamdog had spun about SoD being hated on for the trans character. If you look at Greenwood's post on the matter it is painfully clear that he wasn't served the whole truth, to put it mildly.

their litte narrative about straight white males being behind the hate got quieted fast too. As transgendered gamers, gay gamers, and female gamers all made the same criticism that the "gamergaters" did.

I saw a few trans gamers getting bashed for this on the Beamdog forums as well. They weren't "real trans" for disagreeing with the frothing fanboys. I think the user who did that was the same user Julius used as a human shield earlier in this thread. Shawne, or something like that. But that user certainly wasn't alone. And they were allowed to carry on for a LONG time too.

A liar and excuse monger is untrustworthy, and Julius is both.