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I don't say this one was purposeful but I can't prevent myself asking this question after finishing the game.

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The ending was sickeningly black and white. Why is the mother was the monster? Only because she is an alcoholic? What did she do to deserve that title? Because she didn't want to give her baby to the father? (Oh, she can't be a protective mother! Selfish bitch!) We didn't see she hit him (or her?), we didn't see she molested him, we didn't see she left him to die hunger. So why was she so cruel? Because she put his teddy bear into the washing machine! Oh, burn the witch and take the child away from her and this is the GOOD ending!

What a one sided reasoning! Aren't there any fault of the father on this ruining marriage? Was he a saint? Where was he while these things were happening?

If they left the choice to the player whether going to door or return to mother it will be so much better.

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Post edited June 01, 2014 by amuleth
Thanks for spoiler.
Why did you read then if you didn't finish the game yet? Anyway, it's obvious from miles a away and this is not Game of Thrones.
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amuleth: Why did you read then if you didn't finish the game yet? Anyway, it's obvious from miles a away and this is not Game of Thrones.
Well you said ending in second sentence... go figure...

Anyway you edited with spoiler tag so lets hope it will not catch other ppl that want play game actually.
Post edited June 01, 2014 by ataribaby
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amuleth: ...
I know it‘s the cool thing now to read misogyny into every single thing that is released these days (especially video games). That being said, I think it‘s unfounded in this case.

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The mother is portrayed as being loving and caring. It‘s apparent that the parents are fighting a fierce custody battle. That, the stresses of her job (which are hinted at by lots of file cabinets) and having to take care of her baby have her on the verge of breaking down. And alcohol seems to be her only means of escape.
I actually felt sorry for her. She isn‘t portrayed as an ill-intentioned abuser, but as being a victim herself. A caring parent whose world is starting to fall apart because she can no longer handle the pressure heaved onto her.

I don‘t think they were goind for a „good“ ending (in the sense of a happy ending). Personally, I found the ending to be profoundly sad.

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Post edited June 02, 2014 by fronzelneekburm
Then why did he have to go with the father?

This is the "only" possible solution?

Also your theory doesn't explain the father factor in this story.

We never see the father. Only a heavenly voice and white light, almost like an ANGEL or maybe GOD.

So this is a SAD ending or a forced path?
Post edited June 02, 2014 by amuleth
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Why do you have such a problem with a story where the father is the nice guy? Seriously, you're the one with the sexism problem. In 99% of stories, mom is the nice one. The fact that you complain here about the one story that mixes it up is ridiculous. The whole point was to surprise the audience with the reveal that the mother is the monster the baby sees because she is alcoholic. Maybe in your world it's ok for an alcoholic mother to raise a child while she's drunk in the kitchen, but not in mine. Your idea to have the player choose a parent (alcoholic vs father who wants custody taken away from an alcoholic) is a terrible one. Posting spoilers about such an important plot point...-1.
Post edited June 05, 2014 by Tooms
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For what it's worth: after picking up the teddy laying beside the mother, you interact with her and comfort her. This gesture implies that the toddler still loves her despite her (self-)abusive behavior.

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Post edited June 09, 2014 by -cerberus-
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Tooms: **SPOILERS, JUST SKIP THIS THREAD**

Maybe in your world it's ok for an alcoholic mother to raise a child while she's drunk in the kitchen, but not in mine.
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An alcoholic mother doesn't equal a monster, but an abusive mother is yes. We don't have no more hint for her monstrosity than she's alcoholic.

Which factor forced her to this behavior? Maybe father? If you don't ask these questions in your world and happy with clever (!) and original twist (for only naive persons) I can't say much anything.

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PS I put spoilers tags, what are you talking about so aggresively?
Post edited June 07, 2014 by amuleth
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amuleth: An alcoholic mother doesn't equal a monster, but an abusive mother is yes. We don't have no more hint for her monstrosity than she's alcoholic.

Which factor forced her to this behavior? Maybe father? If you don't ask these questions in your world and happy with clever (!) and original twist (for only naive persons) I can't say much anything.
Well in fact there are hints that she is abusive when she's drunk. When you look at the children's drawings and pictures you find throughout the game, there are several that are disturbing and hint to violence. And there's at least one where it looks like she locked the toddler in a box. But maybe that's just my imagination.

And I don't think there has to be a factor for her behaviour. The cruel thing about alcoholism is that very often there is no reason for it. Perfectly normal people can become alcoholics and most times you can't blame anyone for it.
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amuleth: An alcoholic mother doesn't equal a monster, but an abusive mother is yes. We don't have no more hint for her monstrosity than she's alcoholic.

Which factor forced her to this behavior? Maybe father? If you don't ask these questions in your world and happy with clever (!) and original twist (for only naive persons) I can't say much anything.
Really you shouldn't "say much anything" because you're not making much sense. An abusive, alcoholic mother passed out in the kitchen is a negligent monster. You want the game to be about something else and explore her past for what drives her to drink. Ok, but that has nothing to do with this particular game. The twist is original because like I already said, 99% of stories would have the mom save the child. You try to link this to naive people, but it has nothing to do with naivety. Nobody said it was a complete surprise as you go through the game, just that the choice of the mother being the monster is different than usual, aka original. I'm posting aggressively because your attitude sucks. Your posts here are about about how everyone who likes the story is not clever (!) or naive, or must be a sexist. Show respect for others and you get respect in return.
Post edited June 09, 2014 by Tooms
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Tooms: Your posts here are about about how everyone who likes the story
Oh, really? Who is this "everyone" then? Even PC Gamer says "a shallow world and story", so there is no such a thing everyone likes it, and everyone is entitled his/her opinion, if you like or not.

For the record, I said "naive" after your aggresive post, so your argument is invalid.
I never said everyone likes the story. Note the word "who". Maybe there is a language barrier there for you, but you are misreading what I wrote. As for "naive", I directly quoted it from you.

You are of course entitled to your opinion, just as I am entitled to my opinion of yours.
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Tooms: I never said everyone likes the story. Note the word "who". Maybe there is a language barrier there for you, but you are misreading what I wrote. As for "naive", I directly quoted it from you.

You are of course entitled to your opinion, just as I am entitled to my opinion of yours.
I never claimed that everyone who likes the story is not clever (!) or naive, or must be a sexist and then I have the language barrier eh? Sorry, if you don't understand a post in your language and are making false assumptions for others' claims, I'm not the one who has the barrier here.

Everyone here except you made their claims reasonably. But your issue is that you are overprotective for a game and that taking everything personally. I don't know your age but this is not a logical attitude for making counter arguments.
Post edited June 10, 2014 by amuleth
I wrote: "Your posts here are about about how everyone who likes the story is not clever (!) or naive, or must be a sexist."

You then wrote: "Oh, really? Who is this "everyone" then? Even PC Gamer says "a shallow world and story", so there is no such a thing everyone likes it, and everyone is entitled his/her opinion, if you like or not."

Obviously you misunderstood my post because I did not say "everyone likes it".

You then write: "Sorry, if you don't understand a post in your language and are making false assumptions for others' claims". Except that is exactly what you are doing here, as quoted above.

You write: "original twist (for only naive persons)"
Then later: "I never claimed that everyone who likes the story is not clever (!) or naive"

You are claiming that anyone who thinks the twist is original is naive. At least back up your own words.

I am not overprotective of the game. It's a decent game with an unusual story. I think your original post, with claims of misogyny and defending an abusive mother, was ridiculous and the fact that you originally posted it without spoiler tags shows little regard for others.