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Uncensored versions of games.in progress

Added byTelika's avatarTelika

GOG aims at providing games in their original experience (original low tech versions), and liberated from tacked on limitations (drm). I am not sure why they consider censored games satisfying. Is removed or altered content so much better than drm restrictions ? The GOG versions of Fallout, Giants, Gobliiins feel incomplete because of such details. And the edited parts make no sense on a site that also sells unaltered "mature" games (like Carmageddon, Farenheit, Witcher). I suggest that GOG should (if it doesn't already) treat censored versions as temporary "stopgap measures", keep looking for the original versions with the same energy as for unavailable games, and replace them as soon as they can. Or even, make censorship a DRM-level point during their negociations with titles owners.

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gamer247
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Censorship is for fascist or commie regimes .
Self responsibility !!!
If your an irresponsible idiot please keep using condoms ...

So yes uncensored games please !

4 days ago
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TheD0ct0r
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I for one like having options. There are (admittedly very rare) cases where I prefer the censored version of a title over the uncensored version, if for no other reason than aesthetics. For example, there are some games that give me the option to turn off the blood. Blood doesn't really bother me, and I usually prefer having it the game when the creator meant for it to be there, but it can be a little distracting sometimes when the blood splashes in the camera, blocking my vision.

Another reason I like having the option to choose between a censored and uncensored version of a game is that I sometimes like to get my younger brother interested in a game if I really like it, but if there's something in it I know my parents would rather him not see in a video game, he'll either have to wait until he's older, or I can get him the censored version. As long as the gameplay is the same, it's really no skin off my nose.

Nov. 19, 2014
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TheGoldenGecko
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I was not aware GOG sold the censored versions of games when they exist. So I can expect Fallout to be the european version and not the american version, then. I'll tell you what, the difference is nothing to get beat up about, but it is something to oppose, on principle if nothing else.
Censored Fallout retains all the gore and profanity. The only difference I noticed was that there are no children. I suppose that's better than invulnerable children... then again, that little detail is often possible to mod out. Sure, it may delight some sick fucks, but most of us want it for the sake of immersion. If the game has kids, it's by your benevolence that you spare or even save them, as opposed to them being removed from the game entirely because you can't be trusted not to turn into a child-killer. And it's not a crime if you do (in-game, that is), they may be digital representations of children in a game universe but in no way do they equal real children. Killing a virtual kid is not the same despicable act as killing a real child. I love kids, in the good way. I hate brats, though I often blame the parents. Either way, I'd never kill a brat. But I've killed kids in Fallout 2 whilst making an evil character playthrough, starting with the urchins who nick your stuff in The Den! Took me a while to figure out why my precious items were disappearing off my inventory, the first time I played it. I don't think I killed them that first time as I was probably playing a goodie two-shoes firstly. Likewise, I was pleased that there is a way to help the kids and stop them from riffling your pockets in that positive manner. At least... I think there was. Either there was or I simply had to thieve my items back from them. Well, give the game a break, Black Isle were forced to release it slightly unfinished!
But I digress. I played the european version of Fallout back in the day. Later on, around 2000, I played Fallout 2. I now know it was the american version, as it had kids, which at the time I figured were an addition of the sequel! But indeed it makes sense that they are not, as the models are old-styled and all the new character models introduced in FO2 are a of a different sort, more detailed but overall less fitting with very stiff animations that just look bad. Thankfully, the vast majority of characters use the old models. You'll see mostly new models only in San Francisco and in the Mordino crime family, half their henchmen using a new model that looks almost comical when they burst-fire an SMG.
But I digress, once more. I know for sure the original that I played was censored because I more recently played the american version and, go figure, kids! I was surprised to find them the first time when getting to Shady Sands. And I still remember, on the european version back in the day, the description of at least one of the weird and wiry hunchbacks in yellow shirts and light brown pants denoting that he was supposedly a child. That was either in Shady Sands or in a random encounter... or both. It's been well over a decade with much, much subject matter studied along the way, excuse my forgetfulness on that.

TL;DR: vote against censorship if only for the very principle of freedom of expression!

If any media deserves censorship, it's the many technically legal yet practically pedophile Japanese hentai games as well as pedophile literature that remains within the boundary of legality simply by not including actual illustrated pornography or direct instructions for illegal conduct. Games already undergo age-ratings; mature games like Fallout aren't meant for children, it's their guardians' responsibility if they play 'em. Having said that... I was still a kid when I first played Fallout 2. It just so happens I had, at least, the minimum intelligence required not to let it affect my sanity and morality. BTW, intelligence != knowledge or math skills. They are signs of intelligence, not actual intelligence. I'd rather define it as the ability for reasoning and understanding, viewing things through others' perspectives and having a wide intellectual awareness, as opposed to memorizing data or being a human computer.
I digress for a third time... but hey, this paragraph ain't part of the TL;DR! On a final note, I'd like to point out that this shouldn't be viewed as whining from taking for granted content that a game may well have lacked since the start, in any version. I most definitely give props to Black Isle for developing mature content, some of which they were forced to censor, contrary to other devs who will simply opt out entirely. Having said that, while I do have a penchant for gore and such "mature" rated content, I am bound by moderating reason and rather disapprove of extreme cases (Manhunt, I'm looking at you, you twisted game!).

Nov. 14, 2014
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arson88
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Censoring games should be an option, not mandatory. Vote for parental locks in games.

Btw, next time ask for credit card info to block spams...

Nov. 14, 2014
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Gaerzi
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Don't censor the games, but please censor the spam!

Nov. 7, 2014
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NoctisAugustus
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A year later and games are still censored...

Aug. 13, 2014
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GuidoJanssens
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How do you want Gog to inform us if they don't even bother to delete the spam on this forum?

Aug. 2, 2014
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Shamash
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At least we should be informed that is a censored / edited version. Or sell the two versions. You buy the one you prefer ;)

Jul. 27, 2014
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deadfloat
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Yes, censorship is a blight in media and needs to gtfo. Why should my gaming experience be anything less then what the developer wanted to show. I am Australian and hate that censorship crap has to be a thing.

Jul. 10, 2014
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hoover1979
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I live in Australia and my country loves to either Heavily Censor or completely ban Video games with Violence, Drug references or Sex references. I find this a violation of my human rights in a way as these knobjockeys are basicaly telling my what I can and Can't play. I believe Parents need to show more responsibility rather that rely on the Government to make the decision and apply it to all adults as well!

Jun. 29, 2014
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haraldknoop
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In German versions of games the English Versions of the missing parts should be added. If the game couldn't be completed in German, I would still like the missing parts in Englisch instead of loosing them completely. 1 % in English, but at least completet. I'm honest, I would like that.

Jun. 23, 2014
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MasterS.249
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No to Censorship! Put the games the way they were intended to be!

Upvoted

Jun. 21, 2014
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LordBasaThunder
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Well it looks as though the thread spiraled a little out of control. But I will put in my thoughts on the matter.

Uncensored games: Believing that most creative works are art (games included,) I believe that they should be released they way the artist intended. Though it comes with a caveat of still adhering to local laws.

Adult games: As the market supports the creation and proliferation of such I see no problem with them. If this was something GOG.com was thinking of I would imagine they would create a sister site (GOGBlack.com, etc...) with a stricter age gate. That way consumers could keep one account but still be able to opt into any "Adult" content if they wished to do so.

Jun. 21, 2014
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Griok
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@Rafeweisz Who was talking about porn? We only want to play games as they were designed to be played, with the exact amount (or lack) of nudity/violence they have. This site isn't a porn game store neither a kids games store, it's a Good Old (and new) Games store.

If you don't want your kids play a PEGI/ESRB +12/16/18 game, simply don't buy it.

Jun. 15, 2014
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Ravellon
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Absolutely. I don't really get all this censorship buisness. It is not needed for adults and children are a responsibility of their parents. Who should make an effort of knowing what their children play/watch/consume. But when I was a runt I could go to a store and buy whatever for cash. This is an online-store. It is much easier to controll what a child gets from here. Everything else is up to parent to decide.
So my opinion: censure is not needed. If it is at all possible the uncensored version should be released.

Jun. 14, 2014
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Satuim
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YAY "In Progress"

Jun. 14, 2014
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Rafeweisz
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If you want games with porn in them, go to porn webs. Stop asking for porn everywhere. Leave some sites be child friendly.

Jun. 9, 2014
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ieatdragonz
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Yeah because when no censorship comes porn games have a chance to make it. Bring on the no censorship!

Jun. 6, 2014
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L3xLuth0r
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Yes please remove all censorship it really takes out of the gaming experience we have enough common sense to see the difference between real life and video games. Vote no for censorship :)

Jun. 5, 2014
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Dwarfurious
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I'm getting the feeling that many people could play a game and enjoy it, but upon finding out something was censored they will then hate the game ? Wish more games would censor the Elves out of them.

Jun. 2, 2014
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stevelegacy
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If am game is censored i wont buy it so please clearly state GoG if the game is censored on your listings please.

May. 26, 2014
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erni79
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Yes, please be very open with the information about censored content. Trust us as we trust you.

May. 20, 2014
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Xellith
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Get rid of censorship!

May. 17, 2014
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devilp
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Making games is a kind of art for me, art shouldn't be censored. How can I rate, give good opinion when art is stripped out of some parts...how can I like it...

May. 13, 2014
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SangHee
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Nobody likes censorship. Out with it!

May. 6, 2014
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Maxvorstadt
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As a german it`s interesting to see the differences in censoring between different countries. In the USA games can be bloody as hell, but if you see the naked breast of a women it`s evil and must be banned from the game so that even adult people don`t have a chance to see it.
In germany censorship works the other way. Violence is cut out of games even wit the ab 18 (from 18, meaning you have to be 18 or older) games. Till 3 - 4 years ago even lightest traces of blood were cut out of games, or the blood was turned green. Gore was cut out in every game, no choice man! Since a few years this has changed. The game "Falllout new vegas" came here in germany originally in a very cut version, but the "Ultimate Edition" came out here in a totally uncensored version, including not only all gore, but also all dlcs, so it was right for me not to buy the original version! Here in Germany you can see sex and nudity even in "ab 16" (from 16, means you have to be at least 16 or older to buy it )games. A good example for this is "The Witcher" where you can even see the "bushes" of the women and this game is a "ab 16" game. Also there is a difference about "bad language" between USA and BRD. Some explicit lyrics can make a game -or movie- in the USA a game for adults, here in germany it`s not necessary so.
To get back to topic:
Yes I wish that there are NO censored games on GOG, or at least I want to have the choice between censored or uncensored.
Censorship leads to the dark side, Luke!!! :-)

Apr. 30, 2014
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Wolfram_Wolf
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The best censorship is self-censorship. It is good to have a powerful parental control system in place... But let adult male players see Lara Croft in all her uncensored splendor!

Apr. 28, 2014
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WackyTheMadOne
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I didnt know Fallout was censored?

Apr. 27, 2014
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DJMadMax
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Before you'd release censored games, please dont release them at all.

As long as a game is "legal", it should be released as it's developers planned it to be. It's just the same with movies. I would never watch or buy a censored movie, i'd rather watch (and in this case "play") something else.

Apr. 23, 2014
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Tomkilla
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I hate censorship! Pls NO censoring!

Apr. 14, 2014
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Andrachis76
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Couldn't both be offered? Censored for the people who want them for whatever reason, and uncensored for those who like that. I'm sure it would add some extra work, but if the work is already being done to censor some games, I wouldn't think it would add much extra to leave a version uncensored.

Apr. 11, 2014
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diablo58
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I think where you get a game, it should be in its original form. If that means "Rated M", so be it. Like in the "Postal" games, where they keep saying their belief is random acts of violence should only be in computer/video games rather than the real world. besides, GOG has games like 'Witcher 2: Enhanced Version" which is definitely not "cut".

Mar. 26, 2014
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Uhr78
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The worst thing about censorship is §$*%#!!!
C´mon, GOG You are better than this!

Mar. 18, 2014
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Telika
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OOOOOOOOOOH. IN PROGRESS. YEEPEEEEEEEEE !!!

Mar. 16, 2014
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Telika
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But, I suppose, still no project of finding the uncensored versions of much more tame games (like "gobliiins" or "giants"), or to make censorship-free games one of the priority values of GOG (along with DRM and, previously, "one world fair price"). At least if I interpret right the fact that this hasn't been tagged as "in progress"...

Mar. 6, 2014
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JudasIscariotGOG
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Just wanted to let everyone know that our recent release of Harvester is uncensored :)

Mar. 6, 2014
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master_shadow
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I totally agree to have uncensored games (only).

I think the mentioned Fallout is part one? In case of Fallout 2 I don´t think it is censored as I had plenty kids e.g. in Klamath (why I slaughtered of course to get the title ;) )... So why would the first part be censored?

BTT:
Aside of avoiding censored games they should at least be marked as such on the website.

Feb. 27, 2014
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Jaqen
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I agree with the request. Give us the true stuff.

Feb. 27, 2014
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NetAndy
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+1 for uncensored versions of the games, but choice between censored and uncensored version would be ideal.

Feb. 22, 2014
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mraukotek
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i think that if GOG should give us a choice to install censored or uncensored version of the game. could be usefull if somebody got children ;)

Feb. 20, 2014
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marianne
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I pay money for my games and I don't want anyone removing content or altering content. I expect to be buying the entire original game. No Censored Games !!! If a game is censored for any reason, then it should be so stated !!!

Feb. 18, 2014
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SoulNibbler
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GOG, I am really, really disappointed now. I thought you were the good guys? :(
As a German it is so damn hard to find uncesored versions of games that are banned or censored in Germany. Why you do this to me?

Feb. 16, 2014
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killashnikov
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FUCK CENSORSHIP

Feb. 15, 2014
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placa4
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Sorry but now that I know this... If it's censored I won't buy it.

Feb. 2, 2014
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ozzy554
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Well as for fallout GOG is based in Europe. So they have the European version of the game which has the children edited out. This however can be easily patched back in.

Jan. 28, 2014
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@muchshoes I see you've done your homework. Laws and culture are the main reasons for censorship. The bar and Threek became a cafe and Threed in Earthbound because of censorship caused by laws and to avoid offending certain people in America, respectively. However, the name Threed worked out better if you ask me. Threed = 3-D.

Jan. 7, 2014
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pmdci
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Wait a sec... Is Fallout censored?! This sucks! Off to TPB then!

Dec. 27, 2013
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CampingCarl
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Censorship in certain games is practically the equivalent of having DRM in the first place. It's just plain unfair to both the consumers who want to play the games as they were originally created and unfair to the developers for having their work tarnished.

Dec. 27, 2013
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"Or even, make censorship a DRM-level point during their negociations with titles owners."

I agree GOG should put uncensored versions of games, but if that's at the cost of DRM then I'll simply stop buying games. I'd rather have censored gore than DRM.
Or maybe I said that quoted line wrong, did Telika mean to say to make censorship the same as DRM during negotiations so it's removed from games before being put on the site?

Dec. 25, 2013
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Gaerzi
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This is the only item in the top 5 "most voted ever" that isn't "in progress"...

Dec. 21, 2013
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