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vAddicatedGamer: In my opinion, they should all be Art. The death rune (described as depicting a scythe) simply does not exist.
#1 would still be missing Art. Going from Dying to Time is a pretty big stretch. Lullaby to Art is pretty much the same, if i'm to make that kind of association i could just as well associate anything with anything. I could go from Evil to Death to make it fit with the Death rune on #3 for instance. Hell, i could even go from lullaby to death.

I don't know which was the intended way to solve this. Maybe all 4 runes were supposed to be spelled out in each text but the fact is that 'as is' they're not. Maybe the texts got screwed up somehow, maybe the runes did or maybe we're missing something obvious. Regardless, picking 3 obvious runes from each text and figuring out the positioning of the 4th by trial and error works, no wild associations required.
Post edited June 29, 2011 by Namur
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Namur: #1 would still be missing Art. Going from Dying to Time is a pretty big stretch. Lullaby to Art is pretty much the same, if i'm to make that kind of association i could just as well associate anything with anything. I could go from Evil to Death to make it fit with the Death rune on #3 for instance. Hell, i could even go from lullaby to death.

I don't know which was the intended way to solve this. Maybe all 4 runes were supposed to be spelled out in each text but the fact is that 'as is' they're not. Maybe the texts got screwed up somehow, maybe the runes did or maybe we're missing something obvious. Regardless, picking 3 obvious runes from each text and figuring out the positioning of the 4th by trial and error works, no wild associations required.
1. Most probably something was lost in translation. I guess for 2, 5, 6 the Art assumption works perfectly.

2. As for "quietly moans" (1), whether you argue it's Death, Art (or anything else) matters not, seeing that the position of Animal, Sky, and Time is clear.

3. For 3, "Dying on a fresco": The position of Animal and Sky is clear. If you have chosen Death for dying (which arguably have the same symbol as Art), this would conflict with "fresco" which is undeniably Art (the alternative, Time, is just too far-fetched). So there can only be one spot for the last rune.

4. For 4, "... of scarceness. An evil lullaby". Here the position Sky, Animal, and Time is clear. Whether you argue that the last one is Death (scarceness / evil lullaby) or Art (lullaby being a song so there is a loose connection), again there is only one spot for the last rune.

So I am arguing that even with the Death-Art ambiguity, you can still deduce the position of the final rune (Art / Death).

To go one step further - unnecessary but it is done for the sake of consistency (which might be moot given the doubts in the translations) - since point 3 has indicated that Death ("dying") is associated with Time, it invalidates the interchangeability between Death and Art, hence my opinion that in points 2 and 4, Art is the preferable interpretation.

Without going through this admittedly convoluted process, your suggestion of trial-and-error for the 4th rune makes perfect sense.
Post edited June 29, 2011 by vAddicatedGamer
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vAddicatedGamer: <snip>
"So I am arguing that even with the Death-Art ambiguity, you can still deduce the position of the final rune (Art / Death)."

I can, if we assume that the 4 runes are indeed meant to be referenced in the texts even though i can't make a correct association to rune #4 in some cases.

"Without going through this admittedly convoluted process, your suggestion of trial-and-error for the 4th rune makes perfect sense."

It does, if we assume that only 3 runes are meant to be referenced in each text (the premise i started out with) and that the fact that in some cases you can make an association with rune #4 is merely incidental.

I think we both have a point. I also suspect that the way in which each of us tackles the rune 'puzlles' is influenced, up to a point, by the first 'puzzle' we're confronted with.
Post edited June 29, 2011 by Namur
From memory Death played no part in the solution for this puzzle in my game.

I was running out of time and cheated by doing some google research. In my game only 4 of the glyphs / shapes were ever used...ART was one of them. I don't recall doing anything with death. once you got the hang of it, it was pretty clear from the text what sequence to use.
If you're expecting there to be a line for each rune, then you're expecting a simple puzzle that a preschooler could solve. Embedding the key within the verse is common sense, embed the cypher, these were supposed to be the Vran, which I'd assume is supposed to be like an antlantean type civilization, they were brilliant so they made darn sure that some idiot couldn't wander in and open their treasures.

That said, the problem is that there was no real way to discern the rune images with the descriptions( there were 4 books with something like 4+ rune descriptions each). This is just a translation from polish issue (unless someone who's fluent in both polish and the other languages the version were published) can say that the translation doesn't alter the structure of the verses. I.e. the falcon's flight would have been better translated as the flight of the falcon.

Is there a simple answer that states you are just missing something, doubt it. You'll be able to figure out 3 easily, the fact that you can't discernibly detect that fourth I think is something lost in translation, or a programmer that switched from pot to shrooms while writing the verses.
Post edited July 01, 2011 by sporati