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Zhijn: Dont understand.
Why cant valve just use the 20mb patch and applie it to the witcher 2 steam game via their own service?.
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GODzillaGSPB: Because they don't want to. And they don't need to. They're Valve, your almighty god. :D
Well said. Steam does not need to care about its customers: If they're not happy they can go away, but they'll loose all their games... Buying on Steam is to fuck off oneself.
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GODzillaGSPB: Because they don't want to. And they don't need to. They're Valve, your almighty god. :D
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ERISS: Well said. Steam does not need to care about its customers: If they're not happy they can go away, but they'll loose all their games... Buying on Steam is to fuck off oneself.
To be honest I kinda like Steam. No, not like...I tolerate it. If a game I'm really looking forward to uses Steam I don't cancel my order as others do. And the Steam deals during summer holidays and christmas are good deals.

I own 72 games on Steam. Compared to many others this is not much. I usually only buy when there are deals or when a retail games uses Steam as its copy protection.

However, one should know what one can expect from Steam. Buying blindly and complaining afterwards is stupid. The internet is full of information about Steam, it's advantages...and its disadvantages.
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NameLess1: man I'd kill to pay $30 for a 1mbit connection....I only get around 30Kb/s and I'm paying $80 a month but it's the best available where I live :(

Hopefully I can even download this patch before the next one comes out...
That really sucks. I didn't know that decent internet connection is so hard to come by in Canada. I pay 25$ for 10Mb/s.
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Zhijn: Dont understand.

Why cant valve just use the 20mb patch and applie it to the witcher 2 steam game via their own service?.
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GODzillaGSPB: Because they don't want to. And they don't need to. They're Valve, your almighty god. :D
I think this is because of the file system used by steam. Steamworks games are stored as single file archives accessible only from steam. This is why only steam can launch and patch this games.
Post edited June 09, 2011 by MihaiHornet
Fwiw, a Valve rep said yesterday that incremental patching is improved in the steam beta client
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WhiteWolfy: Okay, here's my take on this:

Rule #1 - NEVER buy from Steam or GOG. Why? Because they charge too much. They rely on the consumer's 'convenience store' mentality. What do I mean by that?

Example: Let's say that you are at home and you need to go out and buy your beautiful pet Alsatian dog some dog food. You have two choices; drive 6klms to the supermarket and buy your best friend's food for $1 or walk to the convenience store three blocks away and pay $3 for it.

The same principle applies to buying games. Do you sit in front of your PC and order and down-load a game via one of the two a fore-mentioned sites or do you go to a retail store and buy the boxed version?

Or choose a third option and buy a Retail version on-line from someone like eBay.

I chose the third option and got W2 for $AU57 delivered. It took 5 days to arrive. Big deal.

If I had chosen Steam, I could have had W2 instantly (down-load time not withstanding) for $AU75.

GOG, to me was a joke. I now quote what they say on their website:

Buy W2 for $AU69.99
We'll bill you the equivalent in US dollars of $75.96.

They say this in-spite of the fact that the Australian dollar is worth MORE than the US dollar!!!

They than go on to say:

Since the Australian price is is almost $26 more than the price in US dollars, we're giving you a $US26 credit to spend on GOG.com.

WHAT A LOAD OF RUBBISH!

The point of all this is, aside from advising not to buy games from the above-mentioned, is that because I had a Retail version of the game, I was able to down-load Patches 1.1 and 1.2 from CDP and INSTALL THEM IN A MATTER OF SECONDS!

Btw, my Broadband 2+ speed appears to be around 14Mbps.

Check yours out at http://www.speedtest.com

Cheers,
Wolfy
Both GoG and Steam offer this game at the same price as a retail copy in your country I think.
I payed mine 60,97 $, which is the equivalent of 45€ the same I would have payed in a retail store and on steam.
I also find it unfair that these companies use the 1$ = 1€ policy.
But the difference is that GoG compensates this by giving you free games from their catalog, while steam does absolutely nothing except cashing in extra $$$ from european gamers.
The best solution would be ofcourse to use the correct international currency conversions.
But if I have to choose between GoG's policy or steam's, I don't have to think long about it :)
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GODzillaGSPB: Because they don't want to. And they don't need to. They're Valve, your almighty god. :D
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MihaiHornet: I think this is because of the file system used by steam. Steamworks games are stored as single file archives accessible only from steam. This is why only steam can launch and patch this games.
I know. My post was aimed on their unwillingness to change that. But as CDP_RED_Team said it seems they changed their opinion...at long last. ^^
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MihaiHornet: I think this is because of the file system used by steam. Steamworks games are stored as single file archives accessible only from steam. This is why only steam can launch and patch this games.
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GODzillaGSPB: I know. My post was aimed on their unwillingness to change that. But as CDP_RED_Team said it seems they changed their opinion...at long last. ^^
I still wonder why would anyone choose steam over GOG for The Witcher 2. :)
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MihaiHornet: I still wonder why would anyone choose steam over GOG for The Witcher 2. :)
Yeah, me too. ^^ Maybe the GOG-version wasn't advertised enough, or some people are simply limited to Steam...in their thinking.
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GODzillaGSPB: I know. My post was aimed on their unwillingness to change that. But as CDP_RED_Team said it seems they changed their opinion...at long last. ^^
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MihaiHornet: I still wonder why would anyone choose steam over GOG for The Witcher 2. :)
i, for one didn't want to buy the game from gog. the main reason is that i had some bad experiences with gog downloader in the past, and i didn't want to download the whole 16 gb of content with it.
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GODzillaGSPB: I know. My post was aimed on their unwillingness to change that. But as CDP_RED_Team said it seems they changed their opinion...at long last. ^^
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MihaiHornet: I still wonder why would anyone choose steam over GOG for The Witcher 2. :)
I bought it from steam just because they have achievements, the updates are automatic and they have great support if needed. Moreover, it cost me 45$ and not 45€. I couldn't know that there would be a problem with the patches :\
Post edited June 09, 2011 by electropretzel
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MihaiHornet: I still wonder why would anyone choose steam over GOG for The Witcher 2. :)
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Corax: i, for one didn't want to buy the game from gog. the main reason is that i had some bad experiences with gog downloader in the past, and i didn't want to download the whole 16 gb of content with it.
Yeah, GOG downloader is troublesome but you can download from browser or use a download manager.
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MihaiHornet: I still wonder why would anyone choose steam over GOG for The Witcher 2. :)
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electropretzel: I bought it from steam just because they have achievements, the updates are automatic and they have great support if needed. Moreover, it cost me 45$ and not 45€. I couldn't know that there would be a problem with the patches :\
I see. Well, DRM free is worth the extra $ for me, not to mention the 2 free games I got for the difference.

Steam support might be great for valve games or steam itself, whatever, but The Wticher 2 is supported by CDP. Or, in other words, steam support for TW2 can't be better than the support provided by CDP. And stand alone TW2 has it's own auto update system.
Post edited June 10, 2011 by MihaiHornet