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01kipper: At the moment, I find it a bit scummy. It seems to me that scum will thrive on confusion.
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amok: I will as the same question to flub - do you find the rest of your groups behavior scummy?
I will say this.

I have been so spammy in our chat it is sad. You'd think I have no friends. Now with that I find my groups behavior lazy more so than scummy with one exception....P1na

Comments have been made by others claiming he is bad. I know he was a replacement for cmdr_flashpants so I have gone back and reread things by both of them.

cmdr_flash came out early with the assertion in post #56 claiming scum was going to come from every race. I called him on that stating that was mighty powerful knowledge. He claimed it was an easy jump given the flavor of the OP.

Now the person in our race claiming Pineapples are bad was doing so as if to say he had some knowledge. I left if alone simply because I can't ask questions of my race directly.

01kipper has made his position clear here.

That's all I have to say about my race.


Now about the other races.....I guess they will just be scummy
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amok: I will as the same question to flub - do you find the rest of your groups behavior scummy?
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flubbucket: I will say this.

I have been so spammy in our chat it is sad. You'd think I have no friends. Now with that I find my groups behavior lazy more so than scummy with one exception....P1na

Comments have been made by others claiming he is bad. I know he was a replacement for cmdr_flashpants so I have gone back and reread things by both of them.

cmdr_flash came out early with the assertion in post #56 claiming scum was going to come from every race. I called him on that stating that was mighty powerful knowledge. He claimed it was an easy jump given the flavor of the OP.

Now the person in our race claiming Pineapples are bad was doing so as if to say he had some knowledge. I left if alone simply because I can't ask questions of my race directly.

01kipper has made his position clear here.

That's all I have to say about my race.

Now about the other races.....I guess they will just be scummy
hmm.... cheers. I had [url=http://www.gog.com/forum/general/gog_forum_mafia_21_the_end_of_the_world/post325 ]my doubts about the commander [/url] earlier also. Good to know. I must say, you are ever so slightly raising up a little in my books.
Wait a minute - is p1na in this game? I have not seen a single post by him since god knows when... it looks like nmillar is loosing the crown as the bestest lurker...
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amok: Wait a minute - is p1na in this game? I have not seen a single post by him since god knows when... it looks like nmillar is loosing the crown as the bestest lurker...
Since 25th June.

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01kipper: 4) One person at one point said they were wary of revealing themselves to those who see us as a threat. That's the only justification anyone has given.
What does this mean? Who are people who see your group as a threat?
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flubbucket: Now about the other races.....I guess they will just be scummy
Hrrm?

When you asked us about our races, did you want us to faction-claim? I figured you just wanted to know if we had similar funkiness in our chats as your faction has (and I answered that). However, if what you want is each of our race affiliations, what is your motivation for knowing?

I mean, sure, we can all come forward, but how does knowing the race of every player benefit town more than scum? It would only help town more than scum if we assume that scum has already infiltrated every faction and thus already knows racial make-ups. This may not be a bad assumption, but is it worth the risk for us all to come forward?
Vote P1na

The cmdr set off my spidersense day 1, this is the only day I haven't opened voting with him. Seemed to be pointing fingers at the wind (first lurkers, then anyone with a misplaced word in a post). Made me wonder if his strategy was to keep pointing fingers at anything and everything so no one would point a finger at him. Add that those in the messed up group (no offense) thinks he's the scummiest, its easily enough to warrant my vote. The icing on the cake is the absence/lurkiness. If we are ever to have a proper lynching, we are going to need a majority of all active people to ever complete the deed. Eliminating a mostly inactive lurker who raises suspicion anyway...priceless...
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Krypsyn: I mean, sure, we can all come forward, but how does knowing the race of every player benefit town more than scum? It would only help town more than scum if we assume that scum has already infiltrated every faction and thus already knows racial make-ups. This may not be a bad assumption, but is it worth the risk for us all to come forward?
Yeah, this is the thing. For cult it is valuable information they sure would like to get their hands on (at least at the start), while mafia would almost certainly know team composition since the start. So it depends on who we are dealing with.
On the other hand, if there is cult, they started probably with 2 people (1 is too vulnerable) and it is more likely they escorted twice from 2 different races to get foothold there. So they can very likely know the race compositions by know as well as mafia would. So it is quite possible that no matter what kind of scum we are dealing, they already know "everything" about race teams.
(Yeah, I love it too when I start to convince myself about the opposite stance while typing my own post:-))
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flubbucket: Now about the other races.....I guess they will just be scummy
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Krypsyn: Hrrm?

When you asked us about our races, did you want us to faction-claim? I figured you just wanted to know if we had similar funkiness in our chats as your faction has (and I answered that). However, if what you want is each of our race affiliations, what is your motivation for knowing?

I mean, sure, we can all come forward, but how does knowing the race of every player benefit town more than scum? It would only help town more than scum if we assume that scum has already infiltrated every faction and thus already knows racial make-ups. This may not be a bad assumption, but is it worth the risk for us all to come forward?
My point is this. Some players have found it easy to prod and poke at my race and even accuse. I and others of my race have been very forthcoming and yet have seen little in return.

It feels like being sweated by the cops and frankly I'm about done with it.
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flubbucket: It feels like being sweated by the cops
Yeah that's a bit the point. Reminder :

1° Your species is special, because there are members in it who decide to exploit quicktopic anonymity. Apparently, people from other species don't do it.

2° You didn't seem to find this particularly strange, we had to push you for this to become a topic to your very eyes.

3° It's not "you and others" who have been "very forthcoming". It was you and kipper, who, little by little, clarified this specific issue.

4° It's not an investigation on "your species", it's an investigation on players-who-play-it-anonymous-for-no-reason, as it is scummy. These players happen to belong to a species that is yours. You people are both our interface to them, and the ones who can investigate it first hand.

5° Others have been as "forthcoming" by stating that their own quicktopic didn't involve anonymous players. They have answered as clearly -or more- to the question "do people in your group post while hiding their identity, and if yes, what does that mean, affiliation-wise". They have answered "no, why would they".

6° Do you see a townie reason for these behaviours ? We have asked this question before, you have half-answered it, but I find it even more interesting now that a murder has been committed, and committed on a Terran (established as not your species), and not on a member of your hypothetically anonymous-worthy species.

7° More precisely, if you argue (as was implied in the previous day) that there is a reason to hide one's appartenance to your species, why was a Terran murdered and not one of yours ?

Even if the mafia/cult was unsure about some appartenances, there would have been, after yesterday's discussions, you as a certified specimen to target. Is there for instance anything, in your quicktopic, that could have lead scum to believe that darko was one of yours ?

In other words : How does the murder of a Terran make sense after yesterday's discussion on the legitimacy of staying anonymous in your group ? This is a question I am not asking only to your group, by the way.

(I currently have three hypotheses to explain it, but let's see what others come up with.)
"Assassin in the palace" has quickly become the new standard, on gog.
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Telika: [url=
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flubbucket:
Corrections. You were raising in my books.
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01kipper: 4) One person at one point said they were wary of revealing themselves to those who see us as a threat. That's the only justification anyone has given.
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Vitek: What does this mean? Who are people who see your group as a threat?
Personally, I'm not exactly sure who that poster was referring to either. But I consider it against the spirit of our forum's restriction to question it directly there.
So, if I have this straight...
Flub believes he knows all his fellow race members now and they number 4.
You had an anonymous poster or two which did not include Flub or Kipper.
At least one of these anonymous posters appeared scummy.

Do you know which person, now that they have been accounted for, was the scummy appearing anonymous poster?
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RWarehall: So, if I have this straight...
Flub believes he knows all his fellow race members now and they number 4.
You had an anonymous poster or two which did not include Flub or Kipper.
At least one of these anonymous posters appeared scummy.

Do you know which person, now that they have been accounted for, was the scummy appearing anonymous poster?
from what I understood it was P1na?