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Posted March 22, 2012
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keeveek: I find it funny how people oppose to facebook, but they are fine with google taking all information they want, even if they didn't ask you for permission (like street viewing you naked in your yard)

Facebook at least uses all the info you provided them.
Actually, I do have a problem with Google as well. Hence why I swapped to duckduckgo and startpage for searching.

I only use google because my school email is with them and for youtube.
Posted March 22, 2012
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SimonG: The thought to use real information on Facebook is among the line of thinking that makes Mountain Dew part of a healthy diet.

I like Facebook, it is very helpful to stay in contact with your friends once they are scattered around the globe. But I sure as hell won't even put my birthday in there.
I think people grossly misunderstand what kind of data is collected and useful. You're birthdate is widely known, it's hardly a secret and not terribly useful (beyond a gross age bracket which is usually determined in a different manner).

Facebook and data aggregators like it are about knowing 60% of the people who "like" this product have kids of their own and 80% of the remainder like kids or that being friends with people who say certain things means you're more likely to be an overweight pot smoker than the country average. People who unfriend people after certain types of pictures are posted are more likely to be employed, etc.
Posted March 22, 2012
And if you play Counterstrike, with a probability of 0.0001% you're a murderer. As opposed to our politicians who think that probability is 100%

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orcishgamer: Facebook and data aggregators like it are about knowing 60% of the people who "like" this product have kids of their own and 80% of the remainder like kids or that being friends with people who say certain things means you're more likely to be an overweight pot smoker than the country average. People who unfriend people after certain types of pictures are posted are more likely to be employed, etc.
Posted March 22, 2012
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Protoss: And if you play Counterstrike, with a probability of 0.0001% you're a murderer. As opposed to our politicians who think that probability is 100%

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orcishgamer: Facebook and data aggregators like it are about knowing 60% of the people who "like" this product have kids of their own and 80% of the remainder like kids or that being friends with people who say certain things means you're more likely to be an overweight pot smoker than the country average. People who unfriend people after certain types of pictures are posted are more likely to be employed, etc.
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Protoss:
No, the politicians are totally right on that one, I've never played Counterstrike and I am not a murderer:)
Posted March 22, 2012
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nijuu: Dont people ever get sick of all the shite about Privacy this privacy that always cropping up?. Overkill. I used facebook to keep in touch with friends i would never otherwise be able to keep in touch with.I have some personal details on it, but certainly nothing secretive (mind u there are some fake stuff i put on their... but genuine friends know whats real or not).
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timppu: It depends, if only it was about your closest friends. From the past, I remember a couple of ladies I dated not liking something they found online with my name (yes, they always google +"your name" +"axe murderer" +"ladies clothes"). Nothing gruesome, but I just got kinda tired of explaining what it was about and connecting the dots for them.

In fact, it was me who in those cases decided to call it quits, it just felt kinda silly as I hadn't even thought of googling their backgrounds either, and they were asking about something I might had written online with my own name 10-15 years earlier.

It could be even something like "So, you've played lots of video games in the past... what are you, 13 years old? Hehehehe...", Please, bitches.

Also, I'd hate it if I didn't get the job I always wanted because the tightwad to-be boss didn't like my party picture.

I don't have a Facebook account, and since I've been able to avoid it this long when the Facebook graze seems to come to its end anyway, maybe I never will.
Its only friends and friends of friends and close work colleagues. NEVER anyone i cant remotely trust (includes bosses unless chummy chummy).Definitely no one i date and no exgf's hahahah ;)
Posted March 22, 2012
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nijuu: Dont people ever get sick of all the shite about Privacy this privacy that always cropping up?. Overkill. I used facebook to keep in touch with friends i would never otherwise be able to keep in touch with.I have some personal details on it, but certainly nothing secretive (mind u there are some fake stuff i put on their... but genuine friends know whats real or not).
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timppu: It depends, if only it was about your closest friends. From the past, I remember a couple of ladies I dated not liking something they found online with my name (yes, they always google +"your name" +"axe murderer" +"ladies clothes"). Nothing gruesome, but I just got kinda tired of explaining what it was about and connecting the dots for them.
Hahaha, awesome! My response would have been, "Don't like it? Then pay for your own dinner and fuck off!"
Posted March 23, 2012
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SimonG: The thought to use real information on Facebook is among the line of thinking that makes Mountain Dew part of a healthy diet.

I like Facebook, it is very helpful to stay in contact with your friends once they are scattered around the globe. But I sure as hell won't even put my birthday in there.
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orcishgamer: I think people grossly misunderstand what kind of data is collected and useful. You're birthdate is widely known, it's hardly a secret and not terribly useful (beyond a gross age bracket which is usually determined in a different manner).

Facebook and data aggregators like it are about knowing 60% of the people who "like" this product have kids of their own and 80% of the remainder like kids or that being friends with people who say certain things means you're more likely to be an overweight pot smoker than the country average. People who unfriend people after certain types of pictures are posted are more likely to be employed, etc.
They can have all that information, because they can't connect it to my real person. And I really don't care about the ads, because I'm using an adblocker anyway. I know of several people who have tried finding my facebook account and failed.

Amazon knows hell of a lot more about me!
Posted March 23, 2012
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Protoss: Yes, they do stuff that is clearly illegal under German laws!
Don't use Facebook. You can stay in contact with your friends per e-mail, phone, IRC, etc.
Posted March 23, 2012
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keeveek: I find it funny how people oppose to facebook, but they are fine with google taking all information they want, even if they didn't ask you for permission (like street viewing you naked in your yard)

Facebook at least uses all the info you provided them.
I'm not. I have a couple of Android devices, but since I am still trying to figure out what advantage it gives me to give google information about me (especially as their stupid GPS navigation system doesn't seem to work in this area, even though the maps are there ok in GoogleMaps... damn "US-only" company, Google is...), I have made sure I give as little information to them as possible.

It just seems that currently all you get for giving out information to Google is to get customized ads to your Android device. Gee, thanks, now f*ck off.

I think I will create a dummy Google account to all our Android devices in the household for now, and everyone uses only that. If we need to check email or something, open the browser in the device and head to hotmail.com. Very retro way of doing things, but at least I'm the master of my actions and flow of information, or so I think.
Post edited March 23, 2012 by timppu
Posted March 23, 2012
I use it, but the only info I have in there are my favourite movies and tv shows.
Posted March 23, 2012
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Protoss: Yes, they do stuff that is clearly illegal under German laws!
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SWorD84: Don't use Facebook. You can stay in contact with your friends per e-mail, phone, IRC, etc.
Actually, that is excellent advise and what I do anyway. Don't forget to mention Skype and Ventrilo for online phoning.

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Post edited March 23, 2012 by Protoss
Posted March 23, 2012
I'm really hoping that with the increased drive in Europe (well the viable parts of Europe) for greater connectivity will lead to greater internet regulation. I can't stand the thought of overall regulation but the regulation of companies on the internet. Facebook is becoming too important for it not to become heavily regulated with regards to what information it is allowed to release.
Posted March 23, 2012
Heck, I get facebook related mail to my e-mail every other day even when I'm not in it. I shutter when I think of the e-mail flood I'd have if I actually made an account. Whole thing is just pointless rubbish.
Posted March 23, 2012
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keeveek: No. You can't take a photo of private person and publish it unless it's in crowded area , like on city square, or park, or a party.

If you're on your lawn, the taker of the photo has to obtain your permission to use your image.

At least in civilized countries, where privacy is a right, not privillage.

Also, if you're taking and spreading the photo of naked person without her/his permission, it's a felony in Poland. (unless you make it impossible to recognize her/him)
never heard about not being allowed to publish people's pictures without permission. what about celebrities? nobody asks them right?
what about that wikileaks guy. millions of photographs of him when he is not giving an interview or anything like that.

i can't say anything about the law in poland but rest of the civilized world does allow that. naked in public view... sure its alright to take your picture. cause you cannot expect privacy. naked in secured lawn and somebody peeks through bushes? that's an issue.
Posted March 23, 2012
If you're a public person (or a celeb) , your privacy rights are limited. For example, nobody can post your nude photos, or something like this, but they don't need to ask them for permission to take a photo in public space.

Private person? Unless private person is a part of a crowd, you need to have permission of that persona to publish your photo. If you just want to take the photo, you don't need any permission, but to publish? yes.

You can take a picture of anybody anywhere. But if you want to publish it, you need permission unless it's a public person (politician or celeb or police officer for example), or it's a part of the crowd (on the street, in park, etc)

You cannot take and publish any picture of any person naked. If you want to take that photo and store it for personal use? Then it's ok.

The law forbidding publishing naked person photos without permission was made mostly because too many god damned ex-boyfriends were seeking revenge by posting nude photos of their girlfriends after breaking up.
Post edited March 23, 2012 by keeveek
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