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If the developers are dragging their feet about it... (I can't imagine it's on GOG's side since they've added DLC for other games)

Except it's not DLC...
It's a different (though heavily related) game.

But they are providing the DLC... And presumably they're doing it as soon as the developer provides them with it. If the dev drags their feet about providing GOG with a DRM free version of the software, how is that GOG's fault?

If you're suggesting that GOG shouldn't release any game until all the DLC is available (or is guaranteed there'll never be any), then I have a certain sympathy for that idea. It would also allow for the release of complete game+DLC bundles. But it would also mean waiting months before some games could be offered for sale. Since your complaint seems to be based on GOG taking longer than you liked to put out the DLC, I can't imagine why you'd prefer that.

I agree with ShadowWulfe - if a dev isn't putting their DLC on GOG in a timely fashion, consider prompting them. Complaining to GOG is just preaching to the converted - GOG loses sales by not having games/DLCs that other sites are already offering, so they already want the same thing you do.

After 5 months. And only 2 of 3.

They're the vendor, of course it is their fault. And it seems to happen a pretty often. Patches are another issue with GOG. Maybe they need to modify their contract so that they have some legal force to use in order to get the DLCs or patches quicker. And if they can't get the DLCs, then they should try to do something else at least, put warnings on the game page, get keys for other services to give out to people who bought from gog (dev may be more willing to do this than provide the patch, who knows), offer refunds, sell the game at a reduced price, take it off the site.

I'm suggesting that GOG release DLC and patches in a timely manner. I'm not sure how you got that I was saying they should wait.

If I had a problem with Walmart, I wouldn't go complain to their supplies, I'd complain to Walmart (alternatively, use another store, but since DLC tends to require the game from that source also. that's not really an option).


People aren't going to buy from GOG if they can't offer an equal product.

http://i.imgur.com/RP7G2H1.jpg

Of course it's not equal. Here you get stuff DRM-free!
And that's why "people" will be still buying here.

@Immoli

Wow, you have an incredibly ideal view of the industry, and how responsive and lovely everyone is.

If a developer does not want to provide a particular DLC to GoG than there is no way that GoG can force the issue, nor can they know in advance. GoG as a vendor is not granted legal power to be almighty God and smite the developer when they do not provide material in a timely manner. Even if they made it a contractual stipulation (very unlikely), that still does not give GoG much power at all, unless they want to take the issue to court, which is far too time and money wasteful.

DLC does not add all that much to many games. And if you are particularly picky about it, just don't buy modern games from GoG. Making out that it is the vendor's fault if a developer does not make material for them in a timely manner is naive in the extreme. Emailing the developer and petitioning them may help this stuff be released quicker; complaining to GoG, pointless!

GoG requires developers to provide them with a product that is different from that which [most] other vendors offer (DRM-free). In some cases that is obviously going to cause delays as developers may have to spend extra time modifying and playtesting the product. I can hardly see how you can possibly construe that as being GoGs fault. Unless you take issue with them providing a DRM-free product. In which case why are you here?

That said it may be GoGs fault, they may have had the material for months and just been dragging their feet. I consider that the less likely scenario though.

Oh no, someone criticized GoG! Better imply he's edgy or some shit!

Should include a picture of someone opting to buy from a competitor in order to get the superior version of the game, or just not buying at all, as that's exactly what's happening and will continue to happen until customers feel that they wont get screwed over by buying from GoG.

Being able to buy a complete product (whether you choose to or not is another matter) is an incredibly ideal view of the industry? Maybe you should look at other stores and consoles, most of the time they offer just that option. It's not exactly an ideal. There are some examples of stores and consoles not getting the DLC, but it is very rarely while with GOG it seems much more common. Part of that is probably that they get fewer games when they first come out.

You contradict yourself. You say GOG could do nothing, but then say they could take it to court. Anyway, never claimed GOG can predict the future, not sure why you're claiming I did, nor did I claim God granted them power. What's with the strawmanning? Now you do raise a good point with it being costly for GOG to go to court, but still, there could be other things they could do, which I listed in my post.
At the very least, even if the dev wasn't willing to give out Steam keys so people could go there where the DLC is available, refunds were not an option so people could buy it elsewhere where the DLC is also available, the dev was unwilling to lower the price, GoG could put a warning on the page stating they are unsure if they will be getting the DLC for the game.

I don't really buy modern games from GOG. I've already passed on some because I want to wait and see if they end up getting patches and DLC. By time I know, I'll probably only be willing to pay a discounted price or perhaps already gotten it in a bundle.

It IS the vendor's fault, and absolving them of responsibility to their customers reeks of shilling.

Why would I email the developer when my issue is with GOG? It's not my responsibility to get games or DLC onto GOG, it is the company's responsibility. I go to GOG and complain that I am unable to obtain the DLC or patches from them, which should push them to put more pressure onto the devs or pubs.

Figures. So why would you care then how GOG sells modern games, if you wouldn't buy them from GOG anyway? Or are you one of those freaks who feel that no one should be able to buy more modern games from GOG, just because you don't wish to see them on GOG? Entitled much?

Your suggestions that GOG should put warnings of not being sure if they get all the future patches/DLCs, or stopping selling the game, or giving refunds, are quite stupid. I am sure you wouldn't demand the same from e.g. Steam. People like you always like to demand more from GOG than you would demand from other digital stores.

GOG already warns if the base game is lacking e.g. multiplayer component (because it is e.g. Steam-only), and that's about as much as is sane to demand from them anyway as that is something they know for a fact when they make the deal with the publishers. Making some kind of pre-emptive warnings of possibly not being able to get some patches or DLCs in the future just because they can't be 100% certain right now... are you on drugs or something?

Anyway, GOG has proved that they are trying to get the DLCs and patches here as well, which is good. Those of us who actually like to buy (newer) games also from GOG are delighted to see these DLCs here, and hopefully the last one will come soon too. The naysayers like you seem a bit disappointed now that GOG managed to get the missing DLCs here. Sour grapes and all that.

He said that he "didn't really buy modern games from GOG". Not that he refuses to. Also, he gave a legitimate reason as to why he wouldn't; he feels uncomfortable on the basis of their ability to release timely and complete editions, which is more than fair since this is among GOG.com's earliest releases under this initiative. Why put words into his mouth?

I also disagree that his suggestions are stupid. It's their responsibility as the distributor which claims to offer equal or better releases to provide something tangible to the customer (an apology, a note, whatever) when it cannot do so, whether/whoever the cause. If they have to make an example of the publisher or their game page, so be it. They shouldn't be given the short end of the stick and let publisher's think they're okay with it. They've lost sales as it is with delayed DLC releases, so the cost of the PR on GOG.com's part is rather moot (if that's what you're offering as rational for it being "stupid"). To offer that he wouldn't do the same complaining at a competing venue is silly. The operative is rather that he should. GOG.com's given a convenient opportunity to do so in this case;why not take advantage of it?

Gog.com wouldn't have to be pre-emptive if they didn't have some foreknowledge, but that isn't the case here. The DLC has been delayed several months. Two weeks after the initial release would have been plenty of time to setup an apology/warning of delays.

I agree with Immoli, those who defend GOG.com with no acknowledgement of a reasonable complaint come off as shills.

Just to be even, I like GOG.com and have shared belief in their ideals. Also, I have bought plenty of games here, not discontinuing my loyalty despite some deviations from what I would like to see as a customer. Thus, when something seems to betray their ideals, those like me will make at least some small effort to hold them to it.

Omerta got its DLCs on the same day as they were released elsewhere. Sword of the Stars: The Pit also got its DLC on the same day as it was released elsewhere.
Strike Suit Zero was released in the same time period as Omerta (late January) but its DLCs were delayed. GOG does try to release DLCs on their release day, and so far, SSZ was the only one that had its DLCs delayed. So it's obviously GOG's fault for delaying the DLC, right?

Most modern games in GOG are as complete as elsewhere, and those which are not and also will stay that way (e.g. because the multiplayer is Steam-only), GOG has made a remark of that.

So if Immoli makes a blanket statement that he won't buy even the complete modern games from GOG, then yes he is indeed refusing to buy modern games from GOG. And that's all fine, but why then is he so vocal about them appearing in GOG, as he has apparently already chosen to buy them elsewhere either way, e.g. Steam?

It would be the same if I went to Steampowered forums to complain that Steam releases old classics like System Shock 2, sometimes even much later than they appeared on GOG. I don't see the point, unless I had an hidden agenda to stop such releases on Steam, ie. denying other Steam users from getting them from Steam.

Right, so it just shows the double-standards, demanding something from GOG that one wouldn't demand from others.

For instance, since Steam and GamersGate are selling some old classics which are using GOG installers, do those sites obtain the latest changes GOG does to those installers in GOG in a timely manner? If not, should they constantly warn their customers

WARNING WARNING WARNING! DO NOT BUY FROM US! WARNING WARNING WARNING!

IT MAY BE POSSIBLE WE WON'T PROMPTLY GET THE LATEST INSTALLER VERSIONS FOR THESE GAMES!!!

WARNING WARNING WARNING! DO NOT BUY FROM US! WARNING WARNING WARNING!

To give another example from GOG, there are many classic games on GOG that are missing some expansion packs, like Castles, Rainbow Six, POD, Dungeon Keeper, Syndicate, the Populous games etc. etc. How come I haven't seen you guys complaining that GOG should do the following for those games:

- Stop selling those old classic games instantly so that no one can buy them from GOG.

- Offer refunds to people who have bought those games from GOG, as the expansion packs are still missing.

- Make a warning to the gamecards that these games are incomplete (due to missing expansion packs), so that people wouldn't buy them from GOG.

Similar stupid suggestions what Immoli was making, but for some reason he complains about them only with modern games that he wouldn't buy from GOG anyway. To me a much better approach is that GOG continues to try to acquire the missing expansion packs and DLCs, for old and new games alike.

Oh get off your throne of martyrdom. I have complained about certain aspects of GOG quite many times (like that their GOG downloader client isn't working reliably, and neither is their purchasing process system). Obviously I wouldn't do that if I was a "shill".

That doesn't mean I shouldn't point out when someone makes completely stupid arguments that I disagree with. Especially by the freaks who are all sour grapes over newer games appearing on GOG, and want to deny everyone from being able to buy them from GOG.

As I said before, those who are into buying these modern games from GOG are delighted that GOG finally released these two DLCs, and it gives hope for getting the third DLC here too. On the other hand, some others seem just annoyed that the DLCs finally got released here. Seem to be the ones who also proclaim they wouldn't buy modern games from GOG anyway.

I didn't say that all of the blame falls on Gog's shoulders. I only ask that as the distributor they bear some responsibility, just as I would be expected to apologize if I worked at retail and couldn't meet a customer's deadlines because of a shipping delay.

It's good to know that GOG.com have been prompt with their other DLC releases, but 2/3 isn't exactly a great consistency rate. Not that I was claiming those cases were the same as this, but another minor case that does come to mind is an update for Psychonauts.

Thanks for your sarcasm, btw.

But they have apologized for not offering the DLCs. See and [url=http://www.gog.com/forum/strike_suit_zero/dlc/post16]here.
Also, see kickstarter update where the developers say that the DLCs will be delayed for GOG. Though they also said that [url=http://strikesuitzero.com/forum/forum/bridge/strike-suit-zero-discussion/266-strike-suite-zero-heroes-of-the-fleet-dlc-on-gog-anytime-soon-nt]there is a restriction outside of their control, thus the reason I mentioned Kerberos and Haemimont not having issues with releasing their DLCs on time.

Thank you for recognizing the sarcasm, and apologies if I offended. Some of the people in my workplace can be quite frustrating at times, and I unfortunately took out my frustration on the GOG forums instead of punching a pillow. Would be weird if I had a pillow at work though...