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Chaotic evil.

Postal 2 Complete, the legendary sandbox of sadistic stunts and mindless mayhem with no political correctness whatsoever, is available 60% of on GOG.com. That's only $3.99 for the next 24 hours!

Video games can play a vital role in shaping the future generations. This is a good thing! There are games that can convey many important values, like friendship, loyalty, selflessness, and honor. Games that can improve our cognitive skills and enhance our logical thinking. Games that can teach you a thing or two about things like economy and enterprise. Games that will make you more environmentally aware and more sensitive to social issues. Games that, in short, will make you a better person. This, however, is not one of those games. Not by a long shot.

Postal 2 Complete is all about mayhem. You're given an opportunity to blow off some steam in a sandbox environment of a comically depicted town. The game's imagery of violence is very graphic, but the over-the-top presentation leaves no doubt: this is only a game, and it does not even try to be realistic. Nonetheless, Postal 2 became the poster boy for video game violence and as such it made a place for itself in the gaming hall of eternal fame. The version we provide comes with the Share the Pain multiplayer extension and the Apocalypse Weekend campaign add-on, so you get to experience the game in all of its (in)glory.

Get the psycho-party started, get Postal 2 Complete on GOG.com, for only $3.99. The promo lasts until Tuesday, March 12, at 10:59AM GMT.
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jefequeso: Personally, I find Postal 2 to be utterly unlikable and unenjoyable. Not just because it's ham-handed, shoddy, juvenile, and boring after more than 15 minutes, but because it seems to think that its apathy puts it above any criticism. Sorry, but not caring that you're making a crappy game does not excuse the fact that you're making a crappy game, and no amount of urine or politically incorrect jokes are going to fix that.
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tinyE: That's a good point. I don't deny that when it comes to entertaining the masses I am the lowest common denominator. Fact is I haven't even played the full game but when I do, if I don't like it, that's what I will say, I don't like it. Nothing more.
Well, there's nothing necessarily wrong with being the lowest common denominator. The lowest common denominator needs games to play too :)

But yeah... I had a little bit of fun with Postal 2, but only in the same way that I had a little bit of fun with that old Halflife mod that just let you go around and kill a bunch of scientists with ridiculously enhanced gore effects. So I'm just throwing my two cents in to help people decide if they want to buy it or not.
Once of the greatest shooters I've ever played! Just buy it! I must have have put 50 hours into this before I took a break from this game. Plenty of replay value. Plenty of different ways to play it. Just remember, you don't have to kill anyone to beat this game. It's as psychotic as you are :D

It does lack a degree of polish. The AI is pretty phenomenal, but it does glitch out sometimes. However it simply breaks immersion rather than ruin the gameplay. Often times the AI will just end up murdering each other in hilarious fashions. This is more of an issue in the high difficulty settings which has very, VERY aggressive AI.

The levels of force the police use is pretty convincing. You can even throw down your gun and the cops will seize fire.

The only thing I knock this package for is the single player expansion. It's horrible. The whole free roaming aspect is dropped for piss poor old school linear level design.
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tinyE: "Trying to avoid bloodshed is tedious and unrewarding..."
That is a direct quote from you, is it not? That to me sounds like a gripe based on the game being too violent.
No, it's an indication that an element of the game that has been said to be in the game is not there at all. If an alternative playing style actually was supported, Postal 2 would have been pretty interesting in many ways.

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tinyE: NO ONE is begrudging you your opinion; I think our only beef is that you seem to be critical of the game because it's not very polished in content or gameplay, which is totally true, but it's Postal! Complaining about a game like Postal or Postal 2 or Carmageddon or Blood for their lack of polish is like criticizing a porno for it's lack of plot.
Expecting a game to be a good game is not an unreasonable expectation. There are games featuring an excessive level of violence that are much better than Postal 2 in every way. There are also unpolished games that got the important things right - unlike Postal 2.

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tinyE: On a related note, don't buy Flatout! The "Human Darts" is totally unrealistic! There are other games out there where the simulation of launching a person out of a car onto a giant dart board is WAY BETTER implemented than with this piece of crap!
I don't even know what you're trying to say. If you mean that literally, then no, there aren't other (nor better) simulations where you launch a human from a car into a giant dartboard, unless you count other games in the same series. If you're trying to say that Postal 2 isn't shit just because its gameplay, mechanics, design, humor and basically everything is shit, allow me to laugh at your parable.
Is anyone suprised that this sale turned into an argument?

And i just knew I was going to regret trying to have a discussion with him. XD
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tinyE: Is anyone suprised that this sale turned into an argument?
No. Welcome to Postal discussions! lol I hated the demo years ago. I decided to chance the game and quickly fell in love with the sandbox gameplay.

Mind you, I'm a pretty old school FPS gamer. I even enjoyed the likes of Shogo: Mobile Armor Division.

The AI is very aggressive and can soak up a good bit of bullets. But the action can be pretty dynamic. Alliances can switch mid battle, both between the player and different AI factions and the AI will even fight each other. It's pretty awesome!
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tinyE: Is anyone suprised that this sale turned into an argument?
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FoxZero: No. Welcome to Postal discussions! lol I hated the demo years ago. I decided to chance the game and quickly fell in love with the sandbox gameplay.

Mind you, I'm a pretty old school FPS gamer. I even enjoyed the likes of Shogo: Mobile Armor Division.

The AI is very aggressive and can soak up a good bit of bullets. But the action can be pretty dynamic. Alliances can switch mid battle, both between the player and different AI factions and the AI will even fight each other. It's pretty awesome!
In some ways I guess Shogo is a similarly flawed game, although I'd argue that it actually gets some of the essentials right, where Postal 2 doesn't. I also agree that the AI in Postal 2 is fairly robust in some ways.
Is anyone here surprised that the first post to say something negative about Postal 2 would get defensive replies that would evolve into an argument where I would be accused of being uptight, ignorant of the game's concept, appalled by violence in video games, and wrongfully judging a game by its gameplay merits?

I'm not. :)
I think to end this argument you should all be big children, load up Postal 2 multiplayer and play last one standing if it has is (I do not play well with others). Whoever is left is right. Sound fair enough?

Also tinyE, Flatout is worth the price here for the soundtrack alone in my eyes.
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FoxZero: No. Welcome to Postal discussions! lol I hated the demo years ago. I decided to chance the game and quickly fell in love with the sandbox gameplay.

Mind you, I'm a pretty old school FPS gamer. I even enjoyed the likes of Shogo: Mobile Armor Division.

The AI is very aggressive and can soak up a good bit of bullets. But the action can be pretty dynamic. Alliances can switch mid battle, both between the player and different AI factions and the AI will even fight each other. It's pretty awesome!
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jefequeso: In some ways I guess Shogo is a similarly flawed game, although I'd argue that it actually gets some of the essentials right, where Postal 2 doesn't. I also agree that the AI in Postal 2 is fairly robust in some ways.
I guess I should point out I DID NOT enjoy Blood 2. So I do have standards lol

I don't know man. I just really love Postal 2. As soon as I completed it I restarted at a higher difficulty setting. I did get some enjoyment out of the expansions, they're better than Blood 2 lol.

Maybe it's the whole free roaming aspect to it. There's a lot of ways to kill people too lol. The special mode you unlock after beating the game is hilarious.
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Selderij: Is anyone here surprised that the first post to say something negative about Postal 2 would get defensive replies that would evolve into an argument where I would be accused of being uptight, ignorant of the game's concept, appalled by violence in video games, and wrongfully judging a game by its gameplay merits?

I'm not. :)
I'm a broken record here. No one is giving you crap for saying something negative about it, only how you did it. When I don't like a game I say "Hey, I didn't like it." or "Hey, I thought it sucked." or "Hey, if I were you I wouldn't buy it."

What I don't do is flat out proclaim it as being terrible, as if my opinion was the only word and the last word on the subject. That may seem like a minor thing but I bet if you had made that slight variance in your expression you would be getting a lot less flak right now.

Quick story on opinion vs fact. A few years ago a coworker told me that MP's Holy Grail was a pile of shit. When I told her she was entitled to her opinion she kindly informed me that it was not an opinion but a fact. It was about then that I started hurling insults at her with a thick French accent.
Post edited March 11, 2013 by tinyE
Selderij is my least favorite person in this topic. :D
I love this game, something about sneaking into a persons house, smacking there head off with a shovel and kicking it out the window is just plain fun. In a sadistic sort of way, lol. That's all this game is, it's just stupid fun. It also makes for a good stress reliever after a hard days work. Although I'm not going to buy it on here, I'd rather stick to the Postal Fudge Pack version I have.
A "Classic Gaming Gem"?! Maybe for some. To me it looks like a badly cut piece of glass in nauseating colours. When it comes to a stress reducing FPS, I'll take Unreal Tournament '99 instead of this, or to keep it even more simple: Worms. But that is not an FPS, now is it? Oh, well...
Post edited March 11, 2013 by jorlin
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tinyE: I'm a broken record here. No one is giving you crap for saying something negative about it, only how you did it. When I don't like a game I say "Hey, I didn't like it." or "Hey, I thought it sucked." or "Hey, if I were you I wouldn't buy it."

What I don't do is flat out proclaim it as being terrible, as if my opinion was the only word and the last word on the subject. That may seem like a minor thing but I bet if you had made that slight variance in your expression you would be getting a lot less flak right now.

Quick story on opinion vs fact. A few years ago a coworker told me that MP's Holy Grail was a pile of shit. When I told her she was entitled to her opinion she kindly informed me that it was not an opinion but a fact. It was about then that I started hurling insults at her with a thick French accent.
I said: "I hope everyone who is going to buy Postal 2 is aware that it's not exactly the fun personality test or a satisfying carnage sandbox that the game's fans make it out to be."

You said: "The very fact that a game called Postal even HAS THE OPTION of avoiding bloodshed (however difficult) is a crime!"

I don't see you claiming personal point of view anywhere in that sentence of yours. Then you continued by hypothesizing that I hadn't played the first Postal.

I don't subscribe to your idea of explicitly telling that something is an opinion. Shouldn't that be the default assumption in the first place when talking about entertainment? Another thing is, as you probably noticed with that coworker of yours, is that "that’s just, like, your opinion, man" is for all intents and purposes a blunt dismissal of someone's statement on the basis that they happen to think so, and that tends to annoy people. Afterall, you don't say that to someone you agree with.

Finally, with something like Postal 2, it's quite safe to say even as an objective observation that its gameplay is badly designed and implemented.
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tinyE: I'm a broken record here. No one is giving you crap for saying something negative about it, only how you did it. When I don't like a game I say "Hey, I didn't like it." or "Hey, I thought it sucked." or "Hey, if I were you I wouldn't buy it."

What I don't do is flat out proclaim it as being terrible, as if my opinion was the only word and the last word on the subject. That may seem like a minor thing but I bet if you had made that slight variance in your expression you would be getting a lot less flak right now.

Quick story on opinion vs fact. A few years ago a coworker told me that MP's Holy Grail was a pile of shit. When I told her she was entitled to her opinion she kindly informed me that it was not an opinion but a fact. It was about then that I started hurling insults at her with a thick French accent.
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Selderij: I said: "I hope everyone who is going to buy Postal 2 is aware that it's not exactly the fun personality test or a satisfying carnage sandbox that the game's fans make it out to be."

You said: "The very fact that a game called Postal even HAS THE OPTION of avoiding bloodshed (however difficult) is a crime!"

I don't see you claiming personal point of view anywhere in that sentence of yours. Then you continued by hypothesizing that I hadn't played the first Postal.

I don't subscribe to your idea of explicitly telling that something is an opinion. Shouldn't that be the default assumption in the first place when talking about entertainment? Another thing is, as you probably noticed with that coworker of yours, is that "that’s just, like, your opinion, man" is for all intents and purposes a blunt dismissal of someone's statement on the basis that they happen to think so, and that tends to annoy people. Afterall, you don't say that to someone you agree with.

Finally, with something like Postal 2, it's quite safe to say even as an objective observation that its gameplay is badly designed and implemented.
Good point. I apologize.