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So in heaven everyone is stood round looking like a spesh and holding there groin.

Its Friday night and I've got no b-yoobidge action going on. Please can I join this virtual world now ? Perhaps Leisure Suit Larry's world :D
Post edited August 10, 2012 by BrakoVonDoom
Personal identity is very narrowly defined and people often do exhibit more than one personality.

Philosophically, we are the outcome of socio- environmental conditioning and the experiences of our life that moulds our views of the world.To an extent there is a great degree of indoctrination as well.

Scientifically, our personality is the outcome of how our brains are wired.

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Lionel212008: This would depend on the conditional hypothesis. If I am to assume
A)All pretty girls wear daisies in their hair then the first instance is correct.
B)If a different brain would change your taste perception to be favorable towards pizzas then the second instance could also be true.

Thus both statements are valid and capable of being true or false.
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Vestin: For that to be the case, you had to assume that I could be a girl or have a different brain. If personal identity was only a (by)product of a particular neural network, "I" would be very narrowly defined. As a matter of fact, I can't even begin to fathom HOW narrowly, if we were to account for changes through time (drastic or otherwise).
If I could be who I am not, there is more to being someone than just a skullful of squishy matter. It is, of course, extremely difficult to verbalize this clearly... but we are looking through SOMEONE'S eyes, aren't we ? It might have as well been someone else's and we'd see different sights, likely have different memories (maybe harbor an uncanny fondness for daisies, who knows ?)... but it could be US looking.
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ashout: heaven can be anything really. IF there is a heaven , there IS a God, and if there IS a God, his power is beyond our understanding, and he can do things we can't even imagine.


I have to have an inkling of just how great heaven can be, and also how hard people can be tortured.

theoretically, if there WAS a God, you could be in a state of bliss so wonderful, that every second your bliss increases infinetly, then the infinetness of the increase increases infinetly, then that infinestnes of the increase increases infinetly, and in the end your joy is infinet in scope beyond anything we've ever imagined. there would be no cap to your bliss, so after 5 seconds you would be infinetly more blissful times a million, and five seconds after that you'd be infinetly more blissful times a million, and so on for all eternity.

and they say heaven is boring.
What if there's no god? :)
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ashout: heaven can be anything really. IF there is a heaven , there IS a God, and if there IS a God, his power is beyond our understanding, and he can do things we can't even imagine.


I have to have an inkling of just how great heaven can be, and also how hard people can be tortured.

theoretically, if there WAS a God, you could be in a state of bliss so wonderful, that every second your bliss increases infinetly, then the infinetness of the increase increases infinetly, then that infinestnes of the increase increases infinetly, and in the end your joy is infinet in scope beyond anything we've ever imagined. there would be no cap to your bliss, so after 5 seconds you would be infinetly more blissful times a million, and five seconds after that you'd be infinetly more blissful times a million, and so on for all eternity.

and they say heaven is boring.
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Nirth_90: What if there's no god? :)
then the foolish are wise, and the wise are foolish!
Post edited August 11, 2012 by ashout
Theoretically, physical immortality is very possible and if you were to define immortality on the basis of an extended longevity then that is achievable.At least one species is known to be physically immortal.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2009/01/090130-immortal-jellyfish-swarm.html

Then there's the intriguing case of Henreitta Lacks:

http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/Henrietta-Lacks-Immortal-Cells.html

So, it's not as far fetched as one would be led to believe.


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Lionel212008: While on paper it may sound good but this isn't true immortality
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Nirth_90: Please elaborate on your definition of true immortality. Physically, it's probably impossible.

I will quote a greek philosopher by the name Heraclitus of Ephesus. He said "The only constant is change". I think a french writer and Einstein said something similar.
All human beings are intrinsically biased. The nature of this affliction affects different individuals in varying degrees. And the idea of a 'god' is summation of this intrinsic human bias since most people fail to comprehend natural phenomena and attribute it an 'x' for that which eludes their understanding.

For in the scheme of things human beings are 'irrelevant' and far less important than that of specs of dust.

Also, abiogenesis clearly elucidates upon how animate objects can be created from inanimate objects since in primordial times such conditions existed.
Post edited August 11, 2012 by Lionel212008
Both articles are very impressive but you didn't give your definition of true immortality. Me? I would say as invincible as a fundamental law. However, extended longevity is most likely possible, at least long enough to satisfy our fundemental fear of death.
Invincibility, yes. Regeneration of limbs and an ability to not age beyond your 20's. Realistically though I would say if extended longevity and an enhanced youth were to be achieved then that should work for now. like you state.


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Nirth_90: Both articles are very impressive but you didn't give your definition of true immortality. Me? I would say as invincible as a fundamental law. However, extended longevity is most likely possible, at least long enough to satisfy our fundemental fear of death.
wow you guys are ambitious!