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Zrevnur: If thats what people choose/want I am all for giving it to them. Or rephrased: I dont see a problem with that if it were to happen.
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GameRager: Why have a forum, then, if no one talks to one another? Imo such tools should be a last resort, not an initial solution.

(Of course if some want or need to use such I don't have a problem with it....I just don't think it should be the first "band aid" they apply to the problem)
I think giving people a choice should be much higher up the list of things to do than taking away choices from the unwilling. I dont see anything wrong with giving people additional fully optional choices. The ignore list stuff also works in other forums. And the "friend" kinda algorithms are in use kinda "everywhere on the net" - like most recommendation systems, Google search results etc.
Also: People are quite different. The point of such a system is that people can choose/customize their crowd and their rules. IMO such a system would be a complete solution to the whole "problem of forum moderation" if implemented properly. Unfortunately currently (at least in EU, operators are forced to moderate everything etc) legislation is so bad that its not really viable to try to make something like that unless one wants to "go all the way" and make it as P2P which is many times harder to implement properly than doing it server based.
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richlind33: We crossed that bridge a long, long time ago. Having an ignore function is absolutely essential, unless you're willing to ban people for being immature -- which would probably reduce the traffic so much that you'd have to ask if it's worth the trouble of having a discussion forum.
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GameRager: People can ignore people easily without one...just keep the hide a post/thread functionality.

(Also even with such tools many decided to just stop posting/left instead of using them anyways[as far as I can tell]....so them being a thing hasn't helped much....and using them just encourages people to close themselves off like a tortoise upon the first sign of trouble, thus discouraging & not encouraging future talk on the forums.)
No, it isn't easy for people to ignore people/things they don't like, because if it was, they would. lol
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GameRager: (Also even with such tools many decided to just stop posting/left instead of using them anyways[as far as I can tell]....so them being a thing hasn't helped much....and using them just encourages people to close themselves off like a tortoise upon the first sign of trouble, thus discouraging & not encouraging future talk on the forums.)
I think there are a lot of people out there who are not here because there arent any such tools. Or rephrasing: There are people who do not like the sometimes somewhat hostile environment here. And if they could customize their crowd they would be more willing to join.
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Zrevnur: I think giving people a choice should be much higher up the list of things to do than taking away choices from the unwilling. I dont see anything wrong with giving people additional fully optional choices. The ignore list stuff also works in other forums. And the "friend" kinda algorithms are in use kinda "everywhere on the net" - like most recommendation systems, Google search results etc.
I don't want people to not be able to use such systems, and am sorry if it seemed that way. I just want people to not be encouraged to use that by default at any minor slight and thus become too reliant on it and too quick to use it instead of other methods.
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GameRager: To be fair, Dtgreene doesn't insult me on purpose or to be mean, and is usually very cordial to me and most others. I would appreciate it if you'd take that into account in the future. :)
I didn't mean she was insulting directly... just poorly timed and bad taste, hence faux pas. There was NO reason to take up the "fight".

Cordial or not, I won't ever take it to any account; you can't reason with someone having certain feministic views, and she never respond directly in a timely discord. Believe me I've tried long ago and I was neither insulting nor attacking her. For all I know she doesn't like me because I'm direct and ask questions... I don't care.

But that's my opinion and I don't expect anyone to have the same opinion as me ;)
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richlind33: No, it isn't easy for people to ignore people/things they don't like, because if it was, they would. lol
Couldn't people then just as easily un-mute someone(that tool only makes it one more step to un-ignore someone)? If so it likely wouldn't help people ignore others much more than just ignoring them without it.

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Zrevnur: I think there are a lot of people out there who are not here because there arent any such tools. Or rephrasing: There are people who do not like the sometimes somewhat hostile environment here. And if they could customize their crowd they would be more willing to join.
If that is the case then why don't they dl the tool and keep using the site. (The tool is there for people to use, but not many use it) Are you trying to say that if people were saved a few minutes to dl it that they'd use it more/be more likely to use the forums?
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God: "Hey humans. Good news, i just created you and this world. Have fun."


Evil inventor of the reputation system: "Hell yeah...and i just created a green and a red button. Let's see who have more fun..."
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sanscript: There was NO reason to take up the "fight".
Agreed...though with the way people are raised lately more and more people are becoming easily upset over minor slights, so it's(sadly) to be more expected in general.

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sanscript: Cordial or not, I won't ever take it to any account;
Fair enough, but I think if one has opposing views but tries to express them more cordially that should at least be given some consideration when deciding how to reply...but that's just me. :)

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sanscript: But that's my opinion and I don't expect anyone to have the same opinion as me ;)
I expect everyone to have the same opinion as me, Duke Nukem, or Keanu Reeves.....people are free to take their pick. ;D

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Paraharaha: God: "Hey humans. Good news, i just created you and this world. Have fun."

Evil inventor of the reputation system: "Hell yeah...and i just created a green and a red button. Let's see who have more fun..."
To be more accurate, the r*p system is one thing that was likely made for good reasons and then it was twisted and misused over time...like other things. :|
Post edited December 03, 2019 by GameRager
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richlind33: No, it isn't easy for people to ignore people/things they don't like, because if it was, they would. lol
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GameRager: Couldn't people then just as easily un-mute someone(that tool only makes it one more step to un-ignore someone)? If so it likely wouldn't help people ignore others much more than just ignoring them without it.
That's true for obsessive-compulsives, but for "normies", twit filters can make forums with inadequate moderation, tolerable.
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GameRager: I expect everyone to have the same opinion as me, Duke Nukem, or Keanu Reeves.....people are free to take their pick. ;D
Opinions are like a box of chocolate from others; you never know what you get, and it gets sticky and stale pretty fast, and then you get sick of it... until next day :p
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richlind33: That's true for obsessive-compulsives, but for "normies", twit filters can make forums with inadequate moderation, tolerable.
You can already do that by hiding some bad posts with a click for most people....many who derail/etc don't do it for long usually.

I understand some might need such, though, and respect that......I just think it shouldn't be the go to first pick solution if other things would work just as well(such as mental ignore).

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sanscript: Opinions are like a box of chocolate from others; you never know what you get, and it gets sticky and stale pretty fast, and then you get sick of it... until next day :p
Depends on what chocolate.....if it's those cruddy ones then I can understand, but if it's cremes.....let's just say i'd do a ton of things for a box of those suckers. :D
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richlind33: That's true for obsessive-compulsives, but for "normies", twit filters can make forums with inadequate moderation, tolerable.
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GameRager: You can already do that by hiding some bad posts with a click for most people....many who derail/etc don't do it for long usually.

I understand some might need such, though, and respect that......I just think it shouldn't be the go to first pick solution if other things would work just as well(such as mental ignore).
"Bad" is subjective, so unless you're neutral re negative rep and low-rated posts, I think an ignore function is a hell of a lot fairer.
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GameRager: Depends on what chocolate.....if it's those cruddy ones then I can understand, but if it's cremes.....let's just say i'd do a ton of things for a box of those suckers. :D
I guess our soul is lost then... :D

White or dark? I prefer dark with caramel or liqurice myself... sometimes white and dark with honey like those from Kinder.
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richlind33: "Bad" is subjective, so unless you're neutral re negative rep and low-rated posts, I think an ignore function is a hell of a lot fairer.
1. You likely know what I meant by bad/that I meant what one finds bad. ;) 2. It encourages weakness so I am against pushing people to use it, just as I am against doctors handing out some things like anti-biotics like candy. :)

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sanscript: I guess our soul is lost then... :D

White or dark? I prefer dark with caramel or liqurice myself... sometimes white and dark with honey like those from Kinder.
Milk chocolate shell or maybe white chocolate/dark chocolate.....and fruit/butter creme fillings(can't shew caramels any more, sadly). :D


(Also answer yer bloody PMs, or i'm gonna pelt ya with hard caramels and nougats :p ;) )
Post edited December 03, 2019 by GameRager
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GameRager: I don't want people to not be able to use such systems, and am sorry if it seemed that way. I just want people to not be encouraged to use that by default at any minor slight and thus become too reliant on it and too quick to use it instead of other methods.
Which "other methods"? Example: If someone uses vulgar language and I dont like it then I dont really see any "other methods" which I would expect to work.

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GameRager: If that is the case then why don't they dl the tool and keep using the site. (The tool is there for people to use, but not many use it) Are you trying to say that if people were saved a few minutes to dl it that they'd use it more/be more likely to use the forums?
Speaking for myself: I would be very unlikely to use such a tool due to security threat. You have to trust the author or if its open source check it yourself. Thats a major drawback.
For most ppl in this situation however the biggest drawback is that they probably dont know such a tool even exists if it is not part of the forum itself. I am more talking about ppl who arent familiar with the forum and get a bad "second impression" than some old regulars who happened to collect a personal enemy whom they want to make go away.


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