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I disagree. I propose instead that a curve be used, with deteriorating magnitudes given to repeated plus or minuses. For example, given who I am, there exists a group of users here who have the hobby of downvoting my posts, unless they are one of my frequent giveaways. (Might I add, that I suspect I am in the upper 5% in terms of gifting on here)

As such, a single downvote/hour should have the normal impact, every downvote thereafter should be reduced exponentially, and they should automatically "decay" each day. The more downvotes gotten/day, the longer they take to decay.

The current system encourages beastial herd mentality activity, and is simply a race to the bottom of the evolutionary ladder.
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Vestin: Leave the system, fix the people.
Impossible. Have you seen how the lemmings descend on me, and others who dare to question the majority opinion, in a petty attempt to assert dominance? Fixing this minor minority would be impossible.
Post edited July 29, 2013 by anjohl
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dirtyharry50: That's nice. Did somebody pee on your Wheaties this morning Vestin?
Either I suck at expressing feelings or you do at interpreting them... Either way - my emotions at the time of posting were quite contrary to what you are suggesting; I was rather elated.

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dirtyharry50: You seem rather cranky today and you seem to become upset at the mere suggestion that your precious rep system go away. I know you may find this difficult to believe but it is possible for there to be another valid point of view besides your own and your posse of riders here. You do not need to act like a smart ass to make your points. I'll be glad to take what you have to say seriously when and if you are able to find it within yourself to check the arrogance and condescension at the door.
You know what? I think you're projecting. I can claim this with any degree of accuracy, but I've seen this happen to people quite a bit. They become upset, they interpret others, they inevitably ascribe to them own traits and stick to them whatever negative thoughts and descriptions they could not bear to paint themselves in.

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dirtyharry50: Who am I fooling? Your reply was not intended for me at all but rather for your fan club.
I have a fan club? I sincerely thought that people who agreed with me here, agreed because of the particular message, not the messenger... but you flatter me.

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dirtyharry50: It was never the intention of this thread to enter into yet another debate
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I simply wanted to make a suggestion to remove it.
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I'm not here to spend a lot of time on this trying to persuade others
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We don't need to go back and forth on this.
You come here, state your suggestion, make clear that you don't care what people think... All the while calling ME arrogant and condescending? Reminding me that I should consider the point of view of others? "I don't care what others think, I simply want things done!" - brilliant...
You had your intuitions, I meticulously scoured your post and responded with counter-intuitions of my own. I have paid a lot more respect to what you have expressed here. You dismissed EVERYTHING I've said, insulting me somewhat in the process. I have thought about and analyzed the validity of each of your claims, responding partly in a lighthearted fashion, but a reasonable one all the same.

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dirtyharry50: I respect your right to have your own opinion even though I differ with it. I am well aware you will not be changing that opinion any time soon and that debating the topic with you would be pointless as such. Likewise, while it would be nice if you respected my right to have my own opinion as well without becoming upset over it (please don't make me quote your earlier post) I can live without that.
I am vocal about what I think about what you think... because I actually give a shit. Ponder that for a moment.
This is also why I thoroughly dislike the "agree to disagree" concept.

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dirtyharry50: Honestly, the only intent of my suggestion is just to try and make this a little friendlier place for everyone. I had no other motivation for writing this.
You know what the sad thing is? I believe you.
I no longer believe you the same way I did one post before, when I solemnly pondered the peacefulness and rejection of any sort of antagonism of Buddhism. I do, however, think that your heart is in the right place...
@Vestin:

(posting from a phone, so no quotes, is hassle enough already)

You seem convinced that the rep system is never or seldom abused. I do not read all or even most posts to this forum, but even sampling a relatively small number of posts here, I recall several instances of posts being downrepped for no apparent reason. Do you deny that the system is in fact abused sometimes? Are you convinced that the benefits of the rep system outweigh any such instances of abuse?

Among the benefits you seem to advocate is the ability to express disapproval of a post and the presumed consequent reduction of trivial posts. Would this not be served by a simple like/dislike or agree/disagree system while eliminating both the abuse and the "mob rule/popularity contest" aspect of the rep system? The total reduction in trivial posts might actually be greater because arguments over the use or misuse of the rep system would be eliminated.

What does downrepping represent to you? Is it "this post is abusive or disruptive" (trolling, etc), "I dislike or disagree this opinion", or either/both? Do you value the ability to praise or condemn not only a post but the member making the post via rep?

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One idea that comes to mind as a possible quick-fix to reveal certain kinds of abuse is eliminating the anonymity of the current system, displaying the name and rep of each member that has rated a post up or down (separate lists).
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SeduceMePlz: Do you deny that the system is in fact abused sometimes?
No.

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SeduceMePlz: Are you convinced that the benefits of the rep system outweigh any such instances of abuse?
Yes. Almost everything can be abused, this doesn't mean it should be eliminated.

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SeduceMePlz: Would this not be served by a simple like/dislike or agree/disagree system
This is, mostly, already the case. The influence downvotes have on global rep is mostly superficial and very temporary, while posting each day makes the number relentlessly climb higher and higher...
Actually - I wouldn't mind a system where the only means of changing this number was by getting one's posts rated high or low.
Bottom line - I'm sure the system can be improved, but that's because it's already working quite well.

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SeduceMePlz: "mob rule/popularity contest"
The term you're looking for is "societal approval". It's a GOOD thing. We can be independent individuals in solitude, once in company of others, it becomes crucial to receive their feedback.
Removing the "popularity contest" from the picture just because one doesn't want to participate in it... is kinda selfish. Hell - Aristotle said that people strive for at least three things: pleasure, wealth and fame. Why on earth should we curtail the ability of others to indulge in the last?

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SeduceMePlz: What does downrepping represent to you? Is it "this post is abusive or disruptive" (trolling, etc), "I dislike or disagree this opinion", or either/both?
I use it for a multitude of things, though I do know what you are gently trying to nudge me into...
Here's a couple examples of what I DO NOT use the buttons to achieve:
- to rate arbitrary statements (like "I don't like ice-cream") for their own sake (I may up- or down-vote some based on their contextual hilarity, appropriateness, vulgarity, emotional and literary finesse of presentation, etc)
- to mark a person rather than the post ( while"who posts what when and where" may have an impact, I try to remain fair)
- to directly influence the overall score of a given person
- to shut down good points being raised in favor of wrong ideas (I like smart, logical people. I don't down-vote arguments (on whichever side) unless are very illogical, based on ostensibly false information or personal biases, or - finally - highly vulgar AND incorrect (in other words: the only douchebags I'm willing to put up with are the ones who are smart))

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SeduceMePlz: One idea that comes to mind as a possible quick-fix to reveal certain kinds of abuse is eliminating the anonymity of the current system, displaying the name and rep of each member that has rated a post up or down (separate lists).
Nah. People who get downvoted need to look into THEMSELVES. This is where they will find the culprit.
As for the issue of abuse, I'm sure this can be solved easily and automatically by requiring a game purchase before being allowed to rate, having the impact of a vote be directly related to the rep of the person casting the vote...
There are plenty of possible fixes, there no need for any measures which would ruin the whole thing.
And why not try this?
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Vestin: The term you're looking for is "societal approval". It's a GOOD thing. We can be independent individuals in solitude, once in company of others, it becomes crucial to receive their feedback.
Removing the "popularity contest" from the picture just because one doesn't want to participate in it... is kinda selfish. Hell - Aristotle said that people strive for at least three things: pleasure, wealth and fame. Why on earth should we curtail the ability of others to indulge in the last?
No more selfish than insisting that the system remain and require universal participation to benefit the vanity of some.

Speaking of which, how would you feel about the ability to opt-out of the rep system? (Another thought that came to mind during this discussion.)

Also, I think we are somewhat philosophically opposed concerning the value of societal approval. ;)

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Vestin: I use it for a multitude of things, though I do know what you are gently trying to nudge me into...
Mostly I was trying to "gently nudge" (I love that term btw) you into revealing more of your position so that I could better understand it. I was also thinking about and I suppose nudging the discussion towards the arbitrary nature of the rep system as well. Speaking of which...

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Vestin: Here's a couple examples of what I DO NOT use the buttons to achieve:
- to rate arbitrary statements (like "I don't like ice-cream") for their own sake (I may up- or down-vote some based on their contextual hilarity, appropriateness, vulgarity, emotional and literary finesse of presentation, etc)
- to mark a person rather than the post ( while"who posts what when and where" may have an impact, I try to remain fair)
- to directly influence the overall score of a given person
- to shut down good points being raised in favor of wrong ideas (I like smart, logical people. I don't down-vote arguments (on whichever side) unless are very illogical, based on ostensibly false information or personal biases, or - finally - highly vulgar AND incorrect (in other words: the only douchebags I'm willing to put up with are the ones who are smart))
By claiming not to do these things, you admit that they can and probably do happen, highlighting the arbitrary/subjective nature of the system. Essentially, it amounts to "I feel this poster deserves an increase or decrease in rep." It requires no rationale or justication whatsoever (despite your personal adherence to certain guiding principles). That I think is the crux of why the system has always struck me as being "off". However, this is by no means a crucial topic for me; I merely find it interesting enough to explore.

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Vestin: People who get downvoted need to look into THEMSELVES. This is where they will find the culprit.
As for the issue of abuse, I'm sure this can be solved easily and automatically by requiring a game purchase before being allowed to rate, having the impact of a vote be directly related to the rep of the person casting the vote...
There are plenty of possible fixes, there no need for any measures which would ruin the whole thing.
Given the nature of the system, I am not so sure that is always or even often the case (for situations other than spam). Still, I think I better understand your position after this exchange.
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SeduceMePlz: No more selfish than insisting that the system remain and require universal participation to benefit the vanity of some.
A fair point...

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SeduceMePlz: Speaking of which, how would you feel about the ability to opt-out of the rep system?
That... That's quite brilliant ^^ ! As long as the individual posts could still be voted upon (something I feel very strongly about), I guess some could choose to don a static reputation... Say, something like "pariah"...

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SeduceMePlz: Also, I think we are somewhat philosophically opposed concerning the value of societal approval. ;)
To somewhat open my heart on the subject: I wouldn't be so sure. I've been an outsider through most of my life in most social groups and circles I was a member of. Mostly due to a value mismatch. This forum of ours, with all the kind, smart and generous people here... feels like a place where I somewhat belong. As a result - the approval and esteem of this community matters quite a bit to me.

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SeduceMePlz: By claiming not to do these things, you admit that they can and probably do happen, highlighting the arbitrary/subjective nature of the system. Essentially, it amounts to "I feel this poster deserves an increase or decrease in rep." It requires no rationale or justication whatsoever (despite your personal adherence to certain guiding principles). That I think is the crux of why the system has always struck me as being "off". However, this is by no means a crucial topic for me; I merely find it interesting enough to explore.
I'm willing to admit this, yet it doesn't strike me as much of a flaw. Not every down- or up-rep is the same, yet most of the time it is easy to decipher WHY people chose to assign it.
We could try a better-defined system of tags, somewhat akin to Slashdot... Though I'm not sure how that would work.
My self esteem is inextricably bound to my rep count, therefore I am against abolishing it. Unless you ruthless bastards want me to drive my car off a cliff in despair.

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Taps Licurg to generate 1 black mana.
Casts Dark Ritual using 1 black mana to generate 3 black mana.
Casts Animate Dead on thread using 2 black mana.
Casts Unholy Strength on thread using 1 black mana.

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Resurrect, ye sleeping bones! Rise!

So... I still find this idea somewhat attractive, and with the recent wave of assholes abusing the system in the threads about regional pricing, now seems like a good time for some necromancy. Not much new to say, just bumping the idea for those who haven't considered it (or at least some modification to the current system).

http://www.gog.com/wishlist/site/replace_rep_system_with_simple_postcount

or

http://www.gog.com/wishlist/site/remove_option_to_downvote_downrep
Post edited February 28, 2014 by SeduceMePlz
why not both ? :)
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GastonArg: why not both ? :)
Taps Alestorm to generate infinite blue mana.
Casts Control Magic on GastonArg using 4 blue mana.
Taps GastonArg to vote for both options.
Casts Power Sink using 1 blue mana and the remainder of the infinite blue mana as X to counter the next comment by tinyE to this thread unless tinyE pays X mana.

Side note: Can infinity have a remainder if something is subtracted from it? Does that make any sense?! Screw it, I couldn't think of any other way to avoid the mana burn...

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I disagree either. Because I appreciate greatly to "top" or "bury" a post I judge deserving to be upped or buried, and the poster potentially taking a boost or a hit for it. Actions carry consequences, normal life even on forums.
Post edited February 28, 2014 by koima57
Lot of people use the rep to show whether someone is generally trustworthy. People getting rep just for posting is just spamming.....
I am neither for or against the reputation system. The natural order seems to be maintaining a balance, but it is the balance itself that has been thrown unto chaos as of recent times. The scales disturbed, the values thrown asunder.
Meh, a lot of us get shit for posting too much as is (and rightly so :P) and to make it a noble aspiration isn't going to help matters.