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P1na: I like the rep system. Every time tinyE reaches 200 rep, I get a beer.
I get 7. Because such a special occasion deserves more than 1 :D
I do tend to think the rep system is useless; but then, so are post counts, at least to me. I say have nothing whatsoever.

Or if we must have something, maybe a title generator based on time here and number of posts. Cemetery Dance does this quite nicely.
I'm actually a bit surprised that with all the discussions going on about the pros & cons of the rep system and the number of statements that it's unimportant/ doesn't matter/ etc. that dirtyharry50's suggestion has gotten only 12 votes so far.
I'm even more surprised that this thread is still at page 1.
It makes me think that the community is not ready (willing?) to part with their little stars.

So, instead of getting rid of the rep system altogether, what about a modification of the system?

-- Keep the rep status (number & stars) under each user's handle.
-- Keep the +/- buttons, but:
1. Clicking the - button does low rate the specific post and eventually leads to it being hidden (maybe increase the number of down votes it takes?).
2. A low rated post does not affect negatively the rep status of the poster.
3. Clicking the + button does high rate a specific post and eventually leads to it being labeled as high rated (again, maybe increase the number of up votes it takes?).
4. A high rated post does not affect positively the rep status of the poster.
5. The rep status continues to change by +1 with each days first post.
6. The "solution to a question gets +5 rep" could stay or go?
7. A separate "hide post" button is introduced - simply hidding a post does not down rate it.
8. An "ignore post/ thread/ user" function could also be introduced?
-- It goes without saying that the "report spam" stays.

Modifications like these would still allow users to express themselves in relation to specific posts/ threads (up/down vote & hide/ ignore) and users (ignore), while making things (a lot, I hope) harder for those who are out just to abuse the current system.

Thoughts?
Here are my thoughts:

1. I think the rep system should stay (otherwise, you can't keep out people with less than 20 or 50 or 100 rep from the giveaways :P ).
2. The # of posts should also be included (that way you can see a spammer with 1 or 2 reps but 1000 posts).
3. We should be able to see which posts a person has downrep and uprep.
4. We should also be able to see how many times that person has uprep pr downrep another goger.
5. The ignore button is a great idea, in fact, it should also include ignoring posts and topics of that person (that way I have more chances of winning a giveaway done by a person someone else is ignoring :P )
6. When the account is created, age should be taken into consideration (I mean, people less than 21 years old are unable to downrep but are able to uprep, mainly because downrep might be just a lack of maturity :P )

Well, there is a saying in my country: "Mejor malo conocido que malo por conocer".

Well, I guess those 6 would be a good start :D
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Khadgar42: While I mostly agree to what you have said, I think repressing of the minority however unaccepted their behaviour might be is never a good idea.
That's a very strong disagreement with an extremely well "cushioned" statement. Surely you will not deny that there are degrees of unacceptability in behavior for which minorities may be repressed. To use a most vulgar example: a minority of murderers probably should be looked down upon...

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Khadgar42: Especially not if the majority is this excentric and narcissistic mobocracy of gog-user.
Yeah, you're certainly endearing yourself to your peers by saying that -_-...

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Khadgar42: An internet forum is not a democracy, it's a (hopefully) benevolent dictatorship of those who granted us access to it.
Say what you will - this forum is very much self-governed, and I wouldn't shy away from calling it "democratic"...

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Khadgar42: So instead of having semi-democratic, halfway functional dissent control features we should have community managers, real people, who take the effort of policing this forum. Not that I'm saying our mods aren't doing a great job [insert random fanboy praise to the gog staff here] but some sort of hierarchy would be nice. Someone to clean away the dirt, keep the streets clean and enforce a curfew, when necessary.
"Curfew"? This is merely free association, so make of it what you will, but this term reminds me of two things only. On one hand - of martial law under Jaruzelski. On the other - of that scene in "I, Robot", as much as I might be leery to admit it, where I have admired the Americans who within a few hours have gathered with axes, crowbars, molotov coctails and uzis because they were ordered to remain indoors under the punishment of death.
Make of this what you will...

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dirtyharry50: I disagree with you Vestin.
This could have been a momentous statement, but not once I have realized that the only post upon which the community has bestowed its blessing in this thread has been my previous one.
No, you don't simply disagree with me. You disagree with us.

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dirtyharry50: Nothing good comes of being unkind to people, even in return for unkindness. It just perpetuates the evil.
Sometimes more evil comes from no evil befalling those who would do evil.
This is irrelevant, however. We can only appeal to others here.

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dirtyharry50: Self-righteousness is ugly and so is downrepping people on a forum when one could just as easily move on to a more positive comment or discussion without sinking to the level of the one who's offended you
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."

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dirtyharry50: There is a lot of wisdom in the old saying that if you do not have something nice to say to someone you are better off not saying anything.
I like to twist this saying in my own way. I think it makes a very NICE saying that if you do not have something WISE to say to someone, you are better off not saying anything.

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dirtyharry50: We do not need or benefit from people downrepping each other. I think each of us ought to try and be a bigger person (myself included) and rise above this kind of behavior as best we can as often as we can.
See no evil, hear no evil...?

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dirtyharry50: Another wise old saying tells us that two wrongs do not make a right.
A different one ecourages us to "fight fire with fire" ;).

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dirtyharry50: Giving someone a hard time for posting something one does not like with negative reputation over it does not make a right either. It just makes somebody upset.
Some people eventually get the picture. Even if they don't - at least the rest of the community can derive a sense of brotherhood from disagreeing with the same statements. No, I don't necessarily mean scapegoats here...
Either way - good CAN stem from this. Not to mention that downvoting isn't really an act of "evil" or "violence" in more than a loose sense. At worse it's a slap on the wrist, accompanied by a stern look and a wagged finger on the community saying "No".

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dirtyharry50: Another wise old saying tells us that two wrongs do not make a right.
Can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs, right?

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dirtyharry50: Wouldn't promoting peace by removing this be better?
Look, I think even Gandhi would shake his head in disbelief at this point. Maybe not Buddha, but I'm not exactly convinced by "the world is a horrible place, hope pointless, love anyway". I'm more of an existentialist, as in "World a horrible place; suffering, pain and disappointment unavoidable; COME AT ME, WORLD!!"
Why would you want to remove it? I understand misuse and abuse etc, but couldn't that be solved with some kind of cool down or limit, + or - max 15 times in an hour or something? I do agree that adding post count would be nice.

Reading through the thread it seems like the best way to do it would be adding an ignore function, down votes only affecting rep at 1/2 that of up votes (or something like it won't do anything to their rank until they get at least 3 down votes), and an ignore system (possibly that wouldn't hide the entire message but would say it's rating in case the person you chose to ignore said something good?)

Edit: affect vs effect to this day I do not get it.
Post edited July 29, 2013 by seelenamt
I've lost four points today posting in this thread. I don't care about the points but I think we can stop debating if the system is being abused or not. :P
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tinyE: I've lost four points today posting in this thread. I don't care about the points but I think we can stop debating if the system is being abused or not. :P
And this among other reasons is why I made this suggestion and posted this thread.
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tinyE: I've lost four points today posting in this thread. I don't care about the points but I think we can stop debating if the system is being abused or not. :P
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dirtyharry50: And this among other reasons is why I made this suggestion and posted this thread.
and I appreciate that but contrary to popular belief it doesn't really bother me. I'd love to get rid of the system but I've only been here a few months and for every five points I lose for no reason I earn losing five so I don't really think it's my place to push this either way.
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Vestin: /snip
That's nice. Did somebody pee on your Wheaties this morning Vestin?

You seem rather cranky today and you seem to become upset at the mere suggestion that your precious rep system go away. I know you may find this difficult to believe but it is possible for there to be another valid point of view besides your own and your posse of riders here. You do not need to act like a smart ass to make your points. I'll be glad to take what you have to say seriously when and if you are able to find it within yourself to check the arrogance and condescension at the door.

Who am I fooling? Your reply was not intended for me at all but rather for your fan club. Well, that's fine too. I'm sure they find you entertaining. GOG is an interesting place because of its entertaining regulars such as yourself. Even I find you entertaining at times.

It is clear you like having the ability to use that minus button and do not want to lose it. So be it. It was never the intention of this thread to enter into yet another debate about the pros and cons of the rep system although it should have occurred to me that such discussion would surely follow.

I simply wanted to make a suggestion to remove it. I said why I felt it was a good idea. I let others know where they can vote for it if they agree. That's all. I'm not here to spend a lot of time on this trying to persuade others to see it my way. They can see it however they want, you included and vote if they like or skip it if they don't. From my perspective, I get to feel like I tried to do something about it within the confines of the system and that's all I can do.

We don't need to go back and forth on this. I respect your right to have your own opinion even though I differ with it. I am well aware you will not be changing that opinion any time soon and that debating the topic with you would be pointless as such. Likewise, while it would be nice if you respected my right to have my own opinion as well without becoming upset over it (please don't make me quote your earlier post) I can live without that.

We'll just have to agree to disagree on this one. I am not getting into a pointless pissing contest with you over it.

There have been some good ideas expressed here that go further than my own. Any change that removes down repping people would be a plus in my eyes. I hope somebody at GOG has been observing the discussion not only here but in Xyem's thread and other threads where the issue keeps coming up. Honestly, the only intent of my suggestion is just to try and make this a little friendlier place for everyone. I had no other motivation for writing this.
Wouldn't a pure post-count invite massive spamming? ... I mean even more spamming that we do anyhow.
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Lifthrasil: Wouldn't a pure post-count invite massive spamming? ... I mean even more spamming that we do anyhow.
Could be. I did amend the suggestion with a comment to drop the post count idea and just stick with removing the rep system. People made a lot of good points about why they don't care for post counts.
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Lifthrasil: Wouldn't a pure post-count invite massive spamming? ... I mean even more spamming that we do anyhow.
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dirtyharry50: Could be. I did amend the suggestion with a comment to drop the post count idea and just stick with removing the rep system. People made a lot of good points about why they don't care for post counts.
Ah, OK. I'm not really against the rep system but I wouldn't miss it either. Perhaps one could only count active days instead. So any day you post something (no matter if one or several posts) gives you a +1, like we have it now, but all other rep-functions get removed.
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dirtyharry50: Could be. I did amend the suggestion with a comment to drop the post count idea and just stick with removing the rep system. People made a lot of good points about why they don't care for post counts.
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Lifthrasil: Ah, OK. I'm not really against the rep system but I wouldn't miss it either. Perhaps one could only count active days instead. So any day you post something (no matter if one or several posts) gives you a +1, like we have it now, but all other rep-functions get removed.
I would be all for a change like that. Any variation on the theme that keeps people happy but removes the negative stuff would be wonderful.
When I first joined, someone, who shall remain nameless, accused me of intentionally trying to post a lot because he thought that I thought that the higher the number of post = higher the rep. Up to that point I hadn't even noticed the rep (it was only my second day here) so needless to say that person thought wrong. I mention it only because, as far as that person, who shall remain nameless, had his head shoved up his ass, it would actually become a legit beef if we went to postcounts.

I guess what I mean to say is that I agree with Lifthrasil. I could have just written that but recently I've become convinced that the more words per post = higher the rep.
Post edited July 29, 2013 by tinyE