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I, for one, plan on waiting to see what actually happens. I don't have a crystal ball.
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capricorn1971ad: leaning any way is to create a side against yourself, the counter-balance is automatic, so when you lean know you think only of yourself, and in a lack of wisdom.
He doesn't understand the intricacies of Yin and Yang, Deepak.

BTW, I hope you don't mind, but I'm getting this as a neck script tattoo.
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DieRuhe: I, for one, plan on waiting to see what actually happens. I don't have a crystal ball.
Well the rumors are that Rey will become a Jedi and discover who her real parents are.

And nice Doom 3 avatar.
Post edited January 21, 2017 by tinyE
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markrichardb: At the end of the day, this is what I took away from this experience. Half the country was dissatisfied with the former administration and thought their lives should be better. Hope their decision pays off. Either way I get the feeling this election is going to be studied for a long time.
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Pheace: Don't let his comment throw you off. "nearly 50% of voters", ie, the people that bothered to go out to vote. In reality, only 26% of eligible voters actually voted for Trump. This is why the complaints about voter suppression and gerrymandering are out there, because a small percentage is deciding the fate of the entire country. Heck, they didn't even get the most votes in this election, they just got screwed by the electoral college system which is seriously rigged through gerrymandering currently.
You're mixing two things up here. Gerrymandering is irrelevant for presidential elections because it only involves congressional districts (for the house of representatives) while presidential elections are determined by state. Of course, the electoral college DOES favor rural states since small-population states get a proportionally larger number of electors than crowded states, but gerrymandering isn't the reason behind this.
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capricorn1971ad: leaning any way is to create a side against yourself, the counter-balance is automatic, so when you lean know you think only of yourself, and in a lack of wisdom.
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Kleetus: He doesn't understand the intricacies of Yin and Yang, Deepak.

BTW, I hope you don't mind, but I'm getting this as a neck script tattoo.
yeah, most people don't understand me.. it's sad really.

the other day I was talking about watching time, and the people I was talking to didn't understand that time is a shadow, and when I started breaking it down as to why and where it was rooted at they were stunned and about stammered.. christians are funny.

it really is literally a shadow, and one day it will not exist, cause darkness will not exist.

and that will be the day that the world knows love and there will be no right, nor left..
just the upright.

and yes, hello to you again, and Tauto, and even you too tineE, and anyone else I forgot from the past.
glad to see you all here conversing having fun, lets not hurt each other.
Post edited January 21, 2017 by capricorn1971ad
Boy you Amricans sure can put on a show.

What a waste of energy and resources, just swear the person in and be done with it.

Inaugurations, marching bands, cheerleaders, titty bars, you guys are the best.
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Kleetus: Boy you Amricans sure can put on a show.

What a waste of energy and resources, just swear the person in and be done with it.

Inaugurations, marching bands, cheerleaders, titty bars, you guys are the best.
smoke and mirrors..
lots of smoke and mirrors.
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Kleetus: He doesn't understand the intricacies of Yin and Yang, Deepak.

BTW, I hope you don't mind, but I'm getting this as a neck script tattoo.
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capricorn1971ad: yeah, most people don't understand me.. it's sad really.

the other day I was talking about watching time, and the people I was talking to didn't understand that time is a shadow, and when I started breaking it down as to why and where it was rooted at they were stunned and about stammered.. christians are funny.

it really is literally a shadow, and one day it will not exist, cause darkness will not exist.

and that will be the day that the world knows love and there will be no right, nor left..
just the upright.

and yes, hello to you again, and Tauto, and even you too tineE, and anyone else I forgot from the past.
glad to see you all here conversing having fun, lets not hurt each other.
who are you?
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capricorn1971ad: who lean not to the left nor the right
Not sure if you're interested, but when I was younger I used to wear undies and would always tuck to the left.

Although I'm ambidextrous (I'm special), I usually use my right hand so tucking it to the left was ergonomic and made sense.

However, after many years my penis developed a bend when erect.

I changed over to boxer shorts and my penis is now straight as a die.

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tinyE: who are you?
He's my friend.
Post edited January 21, 2017 by Kleetus
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capricorn1971ad: yeah, most people don't understand me.. it's sad really.

the other day I was talking about watching time, and the people I was talking to didn't understand that time is a shadow, and when I started breaking it down as to why and where it was rooted at they were stunned and about stammered.. christians are funny.

it really is literally a shadow, and one day it will not exist, cause darkness will not exist.

and that will be the day that the world knows love and there will be no right, nor left..
just the upright.

and yes, hello to you again, and Tauto, and even you too tineE, and anyone else I forgot from the past.
glad to see you all here conversing having fun, lets not hurt each other.
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tinyE: who are you?
hah, you forget already, nice.
no matter.

hello. :P

I am a quandry in the flesh.
a thinking man.

I don't believe in mind control, it makes my rectum hurt.
It's not right I tell you.
:(
Post edited January 21, 2017 by capricorn1971ad
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Erpy: I don't think the issue is lack of intelligence as much as lack of intellectual curiosity. Someone can be very intelligent yet when faced with new information that contradicts their preconceived notions, completely dismiss the new evidence because it'd involve acknowledging you were wrong about something. Likewise, "knowing what you don't know" has nothing to do with intelligence either. Trump's the first president who has dismissed the daily presidential intelligence briefings because he considers himself to be too smart for it.
I generally agree with this... however, I will say I remember reading Obama was also one to miss intelligence briefings a lot. This also sounds like something that came out of the biased media. Nowhere did I come to the conclusion he felt he was to smart for it, rather he didn't agree with the intelligence community and was a skeptic of their very public conclusion. Everybody really should be honestly, Trump just took it a little to far in my opinion before he had the actual reports in front of him. Since none of us have "inside knowledge" on it, it's really hard to draw any conclusion as to why he may or may not have missed his briefings. Transitions are in general, a lot of work.

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Erpy: Also, I'm probably giving him less credit than you do, but I don't see Trump's election as some carefully crafted master plan where he was playing 4-dimensional chess. According to his campaign staff, even he was surprised he won. Before Comey dragged Weiner's laptop into the spotlight, Trump was spending most of his time telling the rest of the world that the election was being rigged and there were truckloads of illegitimate voters everywhere. That doesn't sound like someone who's confidently following his own carefully-laid-out plan.
I never said he knew he was going to win... I said he knew how to play to his base and what he had to do to get elected. It was pretty easy to tell that the country in many parts was moving away from the ideas championed by Obama, has been for a long time... especially if you live in rural America. Trump saw this when the left didn't, and that was pretty clear. I don't tend to agree that Comey and Russia played as big of a role as the left seems to think. It might had some impact on those in the middle, but I can assure you a lot of us felt Clinton was corrupt long before that happen.

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Erpy: My impression is more that Trump ran his campaign on id and gut and things ended up working out in his favor, but several factors (like Comey's stunt, Scalia's death and the Russian hacking shenanigans) ended up breaking in his favor he had no control over.
I don't think one can deny that... I just don't agree it had as much of as an impact as the left tend to want to think. This blame everything but the real issue doesn't help anyone. Clinton lost because of Clinton.

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Erpy: I suppose where we disagree here is that your impression is that Trump's merely acting like a narcissist and he's playing a role to keep people off guard while my impression is that he is a narcissist and what we see is what he's been like for the last 5 decades and he's not likely to change this late in his life.
I have no doubt he might be to an extent... but lets be real, nearly anyone seeking a form of power has some narcissistic tendencies. That's a given... you really think Clinton wasn't full of herself either... someone who admitted she has a public and private position. She wasn't likable at all and could not connect to people, even those in her own base. Trump did manage to at-least do that (to his dedicated far right wing base anyway).

Now this... this is stretching big time. Like the media did. I can understand one not liking Trump but this could have easily be interpreted as him meaning Russia won't invade with him as President... not that he didn't know that Russia invaded Crimea (which based on poll results wanted to be part of Russia anyway). Again we go back to that thing about not taking Trump literally.

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Erpy: Clinton did. Whatever her faults, her broad range of knowledge and eagerness to expand it were things even her republican colleagues in the senate grudgingly admired about her. This argument does kinda comes back to my argument that this part of the job involves knowing what you don't know and one of Trump's worrying traits when faced with inconvenient information is denying it and pretending he never heard it.
I can't say I agree with you as far as Clinton... but we can leave it at that. Some of her remarks during one of the debates were a lot more confrontational than Trumps, and many felt she would have had us dragged into war before Trump would. There is also her track record with Benghazi. She may have a "broad range of knowledge and eagerness to expand" but that does little good if your prone to making poor decisions which she did arguably.

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Erpy: Obviously we can never be sure, but it's fairly safe to assume that if Gore had been in the White House after the 2000 election, he wouldn't have invaded Iraq. (Bush's foreign team showed eagerness to invade there even before the election was decided, Gore never showed interest in putting Cheney, Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz in charge of national defense)
True, but I'm not sure we can say the same about Clinton.

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Erpy: Likewise, if a crisis occurs and Trump reacts impulsively or in a disorganized way and bungles it as a result, it'll probably be safe to say Clinton would probably have handled it better, simply because impulsiveness and disorganisation simply aren't part of her character.
Again not really... her track record says otherwise.
Post edited January 21, 2017 by BKGaming
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capricorn1971ad: it makes my rectum hurt.
Be careful about mentioning rectums or anything anal to tinyE.

It always leads to sexytime with him.
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capricorn1971ad: it makes my rectum hurt.
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Kleetus: Be careful about mentioning rectums or anything anal to tinyE.

It always leads to sexytime with him.
mkay, thank you for the word of caution..

I am not a "sensual" type in any way shape or form, though when I was younger I enjoyed women greatly, still love their company, but I leave it at that.

women are trouble.
beautiful and fantastic but still trouble.

you can't trust anything that bleeds for days and suddenly heals.
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DieRuhe: I, for one, plan on waiting to see what actually happens. I don't have a crystal ball.
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tinyE: Well the rumors are that Rey will become a Jedi and discover who her real parents are.

And nice Doom 3 avatar.
Aha! I knew it!
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Pheace: Don't let his comment throw you off. "nearly 50% of voters", ie, the people that bothered to go out to vote. In reality, only 26% of eligible voters actually voted for Trump.
This is true.

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Pheace: This is why the complaints about voter suppression and gerrymandering are out there, because a small percentage is deciding the fate of the entire country.
Most people simply don't vote in the elections. Has little to do with voter suppression (though I concede this does occur but so does illegal voting (far more than MSM/government is willing to admit to)) or anything else. This is evident but the people who were most outraged (protesting/rioting) who freely admitted they didn't vote nor had any plans too.

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Pheace: Heck, they didn't even get the most votes in this election, they just got saved by the electoral college system which is seriously rigged through gerrymandering currently.
I'm sorry but this is completely wrong and is stated by those who are either on the far left (pissed about losing) or have no idea the importance of this system in our Republic. The EC keeps any one state from having to much influence on who will win. Regardless of who you think should have won or not won, it is NEVER a good thing to have one side in power for to long. Without the EC, democrats would (likely) always win due to CA meaning we would likely end up in a civil war again before to long. CA already gets the largest amount of points in the EC due to population, giving democrats a large advantage.

Popular vote is irrelevant. Always has been, mostly likely always will be. Both sides knew the rules going into this... EC is a game of chess. You don't complain when you lose your King but still have more pieces on the board. The rules are the rules. One side only complains when it doesn't work in their favor.
Post edited January 21, 2017 by BKGaming