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http://kotaku.com/5687187/valve-is-killing-the-pc-market-apparently
A few unnamed digital distribution stores are complaining that Steam is doing their job better than they are.

"Publishers don't give a shit, they don't care what happens to the customer. Which is the crucial point, because Steam do."

"I've fought hard for my customer, and never before have I had to give my customers away. Steam is killing the PC market and it is no wonder digital retailers are failing"

So what you're saying is you're too lazy to give the same support Steam gives customers and they're "killing the PC market" because of that? No, they''re killing your market, because you aren't considerate enough to work for your customers.
Post edited November 11, 2010 by TheCheese33
What? The original article by MVCuk didn't mention any 'big digital distributors in financial ruins' at all. Is this Kotaku making sensationalistic story again?

Plus, the original article's focus is mainly on two unnamed brick-and-mortar retailers in UK who threaten to boycott any PC games with Steam requirement.
Post edited November 11, 2010 by Catshade
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Catshade: What? The original article by MVCuk didn't mention any 'big digital distributors in financial ruins' at all. Is this Kotaku making sensationalistic story again?
What the fuck? Seriously? AGGGH, you got me again, Kotaku!

Then again, it's easy to assume that's why they are complaining about Steam.
Post edited November 11, 2010 by TheCheese33
Uh, this should be fun to watch. Preparing popcorn and waiting for the next episode of the furious battle.....
As much as people hate Steam, I'd like to see another service provide the same array of features. Easily organized and searchable store, consistently solid sales on high-profile titles, an awesome array of community features and a chat client for friends. Plus achievements if you're into that sort of thing.

Valve makes the experience easy, friendly and versatile. If publishers are afraid of it becoming a monopoly, they need to step up their game and offer comparable, or even better, services. EA store could become better. I'm also interested in seeing what Microsoft does with GFWL relaunch. If they rework it right, I could see them making a service even better than Valves that allows people to connect with friends not only on the PC, but also on the 360, which could be a big deal.
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lotr-sam0711: *Snippity*
For me, the feature I like most about Steam is the Game Overlay. It helps me to play PC games without feeling terribly antisocial.
Yea, that was a big part of it for me as well. It's always annoying to have to alt+tab out of a game to talk to a friend. It keeps you in the experience and talking to you're friends. A win win win situation.
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Damuna: For me, the feature I like most about Steam is the Game Overlay. It helps me to play PC games without feeling terribly antisocial.
I agree. If I wanted to post a message on GOG during some longer cutscenes, I can do that. I can also check up on sport scoreboards as well without having to alt+tab out.

I like the achievements too - I don't usually try to do them all, but it feels good when you suddenly see you completed something.

Cloud is fantastic too. I use multiple computers, so it's nice to be able to sync progress on all of them.

And the prices, specifically during the sales - just unbeatable.
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Damuna: For me, the feature I like most about Steam is the Game Overlay. It helps me to play PC games without feeling terribly antisocial.
An oxymoron-ish sand in the eyes, if you ask me. Don't forget, it's silicon we're looking at here, not flesh and (probably) brains.

At least until they start to make LCD screens from bovine slaughter residues.
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Titanium: An oxymoron-ish sand in the eyes, if you ask me. Don't forget, it's silicon we're looking at here, not flesh and (probably) brains.

At least until they start to make LCD screens from bovine slaughter residues.
I know you're trying to appear deep and meaningful, but how exactly does the use of technology prevent me from being social with another? My sister lives hundreds of miles away from me, but I talk to her regularly using a computer. Does the fact that I am using a computer to speak with her stop it from being communication?
I do feel they have a point in terms of steamworks games being a way to increase Steam's market share.

That's the reason given for D2D, Gamersgate and Impulse not selling steamworks games, isn't it?

Personally, I don't want or require any of the features Steam provides, so I much prefer getting my games from GamersGate or here (and more rarely these days, boxed copies from various places).

I think it would be a pretty sorry situation if Steam got a monopoly on game distribution.
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Damuna: Does the fact that I am using a computer to speak with her stop it from being communication?
In absolute terms? No.

Is it the same as seeing her in person? Nooooo

But forget about this. I just wanted to get that cow brains based monitor out of my system.
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Andy_Panthro: I do feel they have a point in terms of steamworks games being a way to increase Steam's market share.

That's the reason given for D2D, Gamersgate and Impulse not selling steamworks games, isn't it?

Personally, I don't want or require any of the features Steam provides, so I much prefer getting my games from GamersGate or here (and more rarely these days, boxed copies from various places).

I think it would be a pretty sorry situation if Steam got a monopoly on game distribution.
Uhhh...you might want to take a look at the D2D catalog...:)
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lotr-sam0711: As much as people hate Steam, I'd like to see another service provide the same array of features. Easily organized and searchable store, consistently solid sales on high-profile titles, an awesome array of community features and a chat client for friends. Plus achievements if you're into that sort of thing.

Valve makes the experience easy, friendly and versatile. If publishers are afraid of it becoming a monopoly, they need to step up their game and offer comparable, or even better, services. EA store could become better. I'm also interested in seeing what Microsoft does with GFWL relaunch. If they rework it right, I could see them making a service even better than Valves that allows people to connect with friends not only on the PC, but also on the 360, which could be a big deal.
What you need to consider is that the features you listed are only features if they're desirable to the customers. If they're not, then they cease being features and start being problems.

A lot of people don't want the "easy" solution that is Steam. Specifically they don't want their games tied to a client, no matter how many nifty little features it has. And that's one reason why it's a problem that more and more games require Steam. It drives people to other platforms (not that other platforms are bad - but the PC will need active gamers to keep it alive and competitive as a platform). Personally I would never buy a game that required Steam - I would get it for Xbox360 instead, or if it was PC only, I would not get it at all.
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Damuna: For me, the feature I like most about Steam is the Game Overlay. It helps me to play PC games without feeling terribly antisocial.
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GoJays2025: I agree. If I wanted to post a message on GOG during some longer cutscenes, I can do that. I can also check up on sport scoreboards as well without having to alt+tab out.
Add a shortcut within Steam to your GOG game. The overlay will work most of the time, and you'll have access to their browser as well.

I've done this with many games, some GOG ones as well, and it's worked most of the time. Just make sure to bind the steam overlay key to something that isn't used by your game. (In my case, Scroll Lock.)
Post edited November 11, 2010 by Foxhack