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I don't know if its just me, but I am having a ridiculously hard time with the combat system of Vampire The Masquerade-Bloodlines.

First the good points-This game has one of the coolest roleplaying leveling systems and generally awesome roleplaying in an rpg.The dialog and everything is excellent.

But that does not get rid of the fact that combat is the biggest hit or miss I have seen. Your enemy always hits you first, you always miss and fighting against anything other than humans is a match made in hell.

I have played Mount and blade, Arx Fatalis and other first person rpgs but this one has forced me to the point where I don't even want to play the game because the combat system is terrible. I can understand some first person games being hard, but this is just a crapshoot.

I think even gothic wasn't this random, and that is really sad.
I just say this:

Morrorwind Dice Roll.

Anyother questions? :D Doesn't seem that bad imo then.
I played VtM:B in third-person perspective mode, and about 75% of the time (not counting the boss or mini boss battles) I played with stealth which towards the end of the game (can't remember about the beginning of the game) means instant deaths to the enemies as I sneaked and stabbed them in the back. One stab is all that was needed.
Post edited April 03, 2013 by tarangwydion
Bloodlines isnt the most balanced system. some skills are OP whereas some are next to useless.

stealth it up and you are in god mode.

for fights id use obfuscate (highest levels i could put the points for at the time) and go for the 1 hit kills.
[malkavian]

the only area i had issues was trying to kill zombies in the graveyard with the time-limit and multiple protect points since i favored melee for the first half of the game.

i love this game ^_^


did you use the unoffical patches? theres a + and a - version of the unoffical patch that might have fixed some of the issues (i used the patch with the - which didnt make any big changes but fixed it up)
Post edited April 03, 2013 by ErekoseDM
I found that in third person perspective combat plays quite smoothly. (did you install the fanmade bugfixes?) I had a strong preference for melee weapons. With guns combat isn't as fun, but still kind of works. But ditch the first person perspective. The game wasn't made to be an FPS.


And if you want a REALLY bad combat system for comparision, try Alan Wake. The totally screwed up camera makes combat very annoying in that game.
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deathknight1728: This game has the worst combat system
I thought it was a common knowledge. I guess I read too much game reviews/sites/forums.
Try Penumbra. I know it's supposed to be a horror game, but Jesus fucking Christ.
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AlKim: Try Penumbra. I know it's supposed to be a horror game, but Jesus fucking Christ.
I liked that system, it just took a lot of getting used too.
Didn't have any real problems with Bloodlines myself. I specialized pretty heavily in melee and just beat things down while keeping some of the pertinent "buffs" up and running. Some skill with guns comes in handy later, though.
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AlKim: Try Penumbra. I know it's supposed to be a horror game, but Jesus fucking Christ.
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tinyE: I liked that system, it just took a lot of getting used too.
LOL, I completely stopped playing Penumbra because of the fucked up combat and watched a Lets Play for the rest of the game :)

Same with Gothic (Hated, hated, hated that game) and, this weekend, the same with Arcanum. Will probably eventually go back to Arcanum but, for a game that so many people have bought and liked, I'm really not that impressed.
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tinyE: I liked that system, it just took a lot of getting used too.
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Bloodygoodgames: LOL, I completely stopped playing Penumbra because of the fucked up combat and watched a Lets Play for the rest of the game :)

Same with Gothic (Hated, hated, hated that game) and, this weekend, the same with Arcanum. Will probably eventually go back to Arcanum but, for a game that so many people have bought and liked, I'm really not that impressed.
That's just because you play like a girl.
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Bloodygoodgames: LOL, I completely stopped playing Penumbra because of the fucked up combat and watched a Lets Play for the rest of the game :)

Same with Gothic (Hated, hated, hated that game) and, this weekend, the same with Arcanum. Will probably eventually go back to Arcanum but, for a game that so many people have bought and liked, I'm really not that impressed.
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dirtyharry50: That's just because you play like a girl.
Well at least I have an excuse to play like a girl. Unlike some.........:)
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Lifthrasil: I found that in third person perspective combat plays quite smoothly. (did you install the fanmade bugfixes?) I had a strong preference for melee weapons. With guns combat isn't as fun, but still kind of works. But ditch the first person perspective. The game wasn't made to be an FPS.
The main problem with the gunplay is the fact that guns are "bad". This is well in line with VtM 2e, where guns would deal reduced damage against vampires and some other supernatural creatures (there were 3 different damage types, with guns dealing the worst kind for damaging vampires).
Sadly it makes for poor game balance.
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dirtyharry50: That's just because you play like a girl.
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Bloodygoodgames: Well at least I have an excuse to play like a girl. Unlike some.........:)
Now, now don't be tough on the guys here who also had some troubles. They were probably just having an off day after chopping wood, hauling logs and doing other manly stuff that left them tired.
I recently installed and tried out Witcher 1 and 2 for the first time, just to see how well they run on my laptop (esp. W2).

At least in Witcher 1, I really couldn't figure out how to fight. I think I didn't manage to kill even one enemy while I was playing it (as I seemed to have problems making even one swing of the sword), so instead I was just running around, avoiding a bunch of enemy soldiers on my tail.

Maybe I should read a manual or something. If the first mass fight was supposed to be a tutorial, I didn't learn the ropes from there.
Post edited April 03, 2013 by timppu