I don't even think you can group journalists, feminists or whoever together in their own groups because again they are perhaps opposed to GG, not supporting for example stopGG. They might be grouped together for convince but just because one journalist says something its not representative of them all, and shouldn't be taken as such. If one GG member says or does something inappropriate, then it shouldn't reflect on the whole, but if lots start doing similar things its not unfair to at the very least ask questions of GG's motivation. At the end of the day a group is not an entity in of itself, its a body of people, so a group is only ever whatever its members make it, how they act defines the group. I'm not actually criticising Gamergate, and I don't think its supporters are all sexists (though its pretty clear to me some are), and I don't think most its members actually support harassment (though some again clearly to me do).



I'm not sure how much that is true, if it is then it makes those people incredibly stupid for not realising they are reading the same tweets repeatedly.

One person on twitter? How about when 8chan was posting her information? How many gamergaters went to twitter to denounce 8chan? How about Mike Cernovich would you denounce him? Which it obviously isn't. So why even make that analogy? Are you implying that this is ok? Are you fine with this kind of behavior? If someone used overt racism and death threats in a political dicussion, then obviously that people should be denounced and asked to leave the discussion. You seem to be excusing it. So let's narrow down who the 10% of extremists are. Who claims to be a voice for gamergate but should not be?

1) You cannot denounce 8chan. 8chan is not responsible for the actions of the users, much like how Twitter is not responsible for the tweets.

2) They did. All doxxing attempts on 8chan are shut down as soon as they are discovered. The problem is that 8chan is huge.

3) They are already showing concern about Mike.

Actually it very much is. That's why it has rules to not break US law. Twitter is also responsible for tweets. That's why they aggressively remove any that violate copyright. It's also why Twitter should be criticized for not moderating harassment and bullying. 8chan is not huge. It is much smaller than 4chan and 4chan stops all attempts to harass one of the specific women involved. 8chan only stopped a few days ago. It now says to take it to pastebin. Good for them. And you? Is he a bully or no?

He does appear to be getting aggressive. The little spat he had recently was unnecessary.

Also, Copyright is a whole different beast. That's covered by the DMCA.

Section 230 of the CDA is what covers speech on an online service.

8chan even makes that clear -

"The boards on this site are made entirely by the users and do not represent the opinions of the administration of 8chan.co. In the interest of free speech, only content that directly violates the DMCA or other US laws is deleted."

Doxxing, as strange as it sounds, is not actually illegal, provided the information is public.
It's certainly disturbing, but it's not illegal per se.

Harassment is illegal. Doxxing used for the purpose of harassing someone is running afoul of the law.

But we don't care about the precise legal definitions, do we really? What are you own thoughts about it? What are the thoughts of gamergaters on how 8chan handled the harassment of these women?

You still seem very hot and bothered, but are at least offering some logic.

Let's see how far out you are... cos this post of yours is interesting.

Do you believe speech is equivalent to action? I assume you agree murdering someone (note, not killing) is worse than trying to. I further assume you agree trying to murder someone is worse than threatening to. Likewise for other actions. Now the tricky one. You know about Thomas Becket's murder? Was it solicitation? Speech is not black and white... Even the words "You deserve to die." are not criminal a priori. Agree? And even such aggressiveness in volume does not change quality, only quantity.

Do you believe in neutrality? Are action and inaction equivalent? By writing the above, where I neither say I agree or disagree with aggressor or victim, am I taking a side? Is this a situation where my choosing a side has any direct consequences to either? Is any of the parties involved proven logically right by being more or less aggressive? More or less victimised? What force do you think should be applied to make me do something you think I should?

Do you believe in collective responsibility? Individuals belonging to some group are inherently responsible for other members? Does belonging to a group follow only from self identification, or is it determined by some 3rd party? According to what kind of criteria? Subjective ones? Does group membership exclude neutrality as a possibility? How does guilt get apportioned? Does it dilute, so with enough members comes a form of mitigation of consequences? Does it multiply so punishment becomes out of proportion to the crime?

Come on. Show the courage of your convictions and argue the logic openly. ;)

Do I? How so? These really aren't logic inquiries. Most of these are matters of philosophy. In regards to when and how speech is dangerous, this is a matter that legal systems have wrestled for many years. I am not prepared to debate it at length. In the US assault is a crime as well as a tort offense that concerns threatening language. Intent to harm is often the standard but it is not actually what's called a required element. Threatening language made without true intent still counts as assault. I'm not in a position to question the law. Nor should it be in the scope of this thread discussion.

Gamergate people are all bad. Evil and sexist. Gamergate is a conspiracy of the patriarchy. We are all bad and evil. The poor "wimin" in the industry like Anita.... and Literally WU knows it all. Please crush the evil gamergaters for their evil act of patriarchy. They are ISIS and have weaponized charitys now too. They also like to kill animals in their basements. They plan to take over the world and then kill all "wimin" in the industry. It´s serious business now! Complete world will be nuke bombed by the gamer gaters. Me say so!

Are you a child?

Mate, here's a tip if you want to genuinely have a discussion with someone on a forum. Ask fewer than 16 questions... :)

The name some people gave to their email campaign where they contacted advertisers. Do you really think everyone got involved with that? I certainly didn't.

We've gotten a new ethics policy at The Escapist, uncovered failures of disclosure at Kotaku, gotten several threads from a private email list that hint at collusion uncovered, and Dale North (a major player in the Chloe Sagal scam and coverup from way back) has stepped down from Destructoid. What have you accomplished?

You can't honestly say that my side is responsible for creating an atmosphere of harassment against women where it's permissible to make bomb threats and then claim that I'm making this an "us versus them" thing. Let's be realistic.

I do. You know why? Because while looking into the claim that GG supporters flooded 8chan with threads to get rid of Zoe's doxx, I discovered that the person controlling the board deleted the flood and stickied said doxx. I then spent several hours frantically contacting a bunch of people to try and get it shut down.

But it was nice of you to try and subtly call my character into question. I'd say this conversation is just about over since you're not willing to even consider the possibility that there's more than one side to this.

His ironic comment was much smarter than any of the one-sided crap you have posted here so far.

Bullshit.

You're doing what you people always do, the only thing you people trully excel at, you're pissing on people from way up there, you're telling thousands of people whose only collective crime is to play and enjoy videogames that they are enabling rape threats and bomb threats and god knows what else. And why ? Because these people refuse to lie down while the fucking loonie hugbox is still working hard at trying to cull their voices, because these people refuse to disband when you tell them to disband.

You asked another poster if he's a child. Let me tell you something about your rationale, if you really think that the world's place is to drop everything on hand and forget everything about everything each time some random goon crawls out from under the woodwork to stirr shit up, else "enabling", then it's you who definitely needs to grow the fuck up.

You have inspired me to load up Duke Nukem 3D and spend some quality time with the strippers.