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I love the fact that such an excellent game is so popular and on such a roll but if it ever breaks into the top 3 or gets to number 1 I'm going to be extremely upset. I've yet to play the whole game but while it is great I don't believe it is worthy of toppling any of the top 3. And if people are so in love with SS2 why aren't they feeling the same love for Deus Ex ?
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Theoclymenus: I love the fact that such an excellent game is so popular and on such a roll but if it ever breaks into the top 3 or gets to number 1 I'm going to be extremely upset. I've yet to play the whole game but while it is great I don't believe it is worthy of toppling any of the top 3. And if people are so in love with SS2 why aren't they feeling the same love for Deus Ex ?
The place of a game in GOG's bestseller list doesn't have anything to do with merit or being better than the games below it and it's certainly no good reason to get upset about, IMO. Keep in mind that SS2 was quite hard to get a hold of due to the licensing issues, whereas the D&D games were partly still being sold in retail stores or for acceptable prices on ebay. Also, the D&D games are so popular and well-known that chances are a lot of gamers already owned them before GOG and not all of them would buy a second copy. SS2 on the other hand seems to have a cult following, but I wouldn't have known about it if it wasn't for the GOG community. So I bought it to see what all the hype is about, not because I like it better than PS: Torment. In fact, I contributed to making SS2 climb further up the bestseller list precisely for the fact that I didn't know it yet. As trivial as it sounds, the bestseller list is not a ranking but only an indication which games sell well at the moment, for whatever reason (and for some games the reason is only that they're extremely cheap, regardless of quality).

Anyway, I didn't know Deus Ex either, but what I do know is that it wasn't in the same legal limbo as SS2, so the circumstances are different. That being said, as a new player, I watched the intros and played the tutorials of both; the gameplay was very similar, but while SS2 managed to draw me in and make me curious right from the start, the story and setting of Deus Ex confused and bored me. (Just talking about my first impressions, I plan to play them both eventually and might revise my biased judgement which could also be related to my preferences in genre - exciting suspense horror à la Alien vs. geeky cyberpunk thriller à la Matrix.)
Post edited April 11, 2013 by Leroux
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Theoclymenus: I love the fact that such an excellent game is so popular and on such a roll but if it ever breaks into the top 3 or gets to number 1 I'm going to be extremely upset. I've yet to play the whole game but while it is great I don't believe it is worthy of toppling any of the top 3. And if people are so in love with SS2 why aren't they feeling the same love for Deus Ex ?
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Leroux: The place of a game in GOG's bestseller list doesn't have anything to do with merit or being better than the games below it and it's certainly no good reason to get upset about, IMO. Keep in mind that SS2 was quite hard to get a hold of due to the licensing issues, whereas the D&D games were partly still being sold in retail stores or for acceptable prices on ebay. Also, the D&D games are so popular and well-known that chances are a lot of gamers already owned them before GOG and not all of them would buy a second copy. SS2 on the other hand seems to have a cult following, but I wouldn't have known about it if it wasn't for the GOG community. So I bought it to see what all the hype is about, not because I like it better than PS: Torment. In fact, I contributed to making SS2 climb further up the bestseller list precisely for the fact that I didn't know it yet. As trivial as it sounds, the bestseller list is not a ranking but only an indication which games sell well at the moment, for whatever reason (and for some games the reason is only that they're extremely cheap, regardless of quality).

Anyway, I didn't know Deus Ex either, but what I do know is that it wasn't in the same legal limbo as SS2, so the circumstances are different. That being said, as a new player, I watched the intros and played the tutorials of both; the gameplay was very similar, but while SS2 managed to draw me in and make me curious right from the start, the story and setting of Deus Ex confused and bored me. (Just talking about my first impressions, I plan to play them both eventually and might revise my biased judgement which could also be related to my preferences in genre - exciting suspense horror à la Alien vs. geeky cyberpunk thriller à la Matrix.)
System Shock II really draws you more into it in the first 10 minutes, but than (in MY opinion) Deus Ex gains supirior to it:
Just cause you´ll proberbly replay the first mission after you´ve failed it the first time:
And you´ll see NEW possiblyties. And than again and again...
Sneaking around the guards?
Hacking into the systems?
Crawling through small tunnels?
Sniping an opponent from a distance higher than 1 kilometre?
Everything is possible in the first mission!
(Exept the things you need Augmentations for...)
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RadonGOG: System Shock II really draws you more into it in the first 10 minutes, but than (in MY opinion) Deus Ex gains supirior to it:
Just cause you´ll proberbly replay the first mission after you´ve failed it the first time:
And you´ll see NEW possiblyties. And than again and again...
Sneaking around the guards?
Hacking into the systems?
Crawling through small tunnels?
Sniping an opponent from a distance higher than 1 kilometre?
Everything is possible in the first mission!
(Exept the things you need Augmentations for...)
I realized that concept during the last tutorial section and it's nice and all, in fact I was looking for something like it after finishing VTM: Bloodlines, but I'd need an immersive setting or story to go along with that for me to enjoy it. I'm not that much of a Cyberpunk fan, but we'll see eventually if the game has something to offer to people like me, too. :)
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xy2345: SS2 actually is the 29th best selling game right now. Syndicate is still holding out. I haven't bought SS2 on GOG yet and am still waiting for a sale, though. I bought a boxed copy back in the day and never quite liked it. It concept of degrading weapons really puts me off. But if it is really cheap I might give it a shot again.
That aspect of the game is a bit daunting, I admit, but with high enough Maintenance Skill/Repair Skill(and enough maintenance tools) one can easily mitigate that frustration.
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Theoclymenus: I love the fact that such an excellent game is so popular and on such a roll but if it ever breaks into the top 3 or gets to number 1 I'm going to be extremely upset. I've yet to play the whole game but while it is great I don't believe it is worthy of toppling any of the top 3. And if people are so in love with SS2 why aren't they feeling the same love for Deus Ex ?
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Leroux: The place of a game in GOG's bestseller list doesn't have anything to do with merit or being better than the games below it and it's certainly no good reason to get upset about, IMO. Keep in mind that SS2 was quite hard to get a hold of due to the licensing issues, whereas the D&D games were partly still being sold in retail stores or for acceptable prices on ebay. Also, the D&D games are so popular and well-known that chances are a lot of gamers already owned them before GOG and not all of them would buy a second copy. SS2 on the other hand seems to have a cult following, but I wouldn't have known about it if it wasn't for the GOG community. So I bought it to see what all the hype is about, not because I like it better than PS: Torment. In fact, I contributed to making SS2 climb further up the bestseller list precisely for the fact that I didn't know it yet. As trivial as it sounds, the bestseller list is not a ranking but only an indication which games sell well at the moment, for whatever reason (and for some games the reason is only that they're extremely cheap, regardless of quality).

Anyway, I didn't know Deus Ex either, but what I do know is that it wasn't in the same legal limbo as SS2, so the circumstances are different. That being said, as a new player, I watched the intros and played the tutorials of both; the gameplay was very similar, but while SS2 managed to draw me in and make me curious right from the start, the story and setting of Deus Ex confused and bored me. (Just talking about my first impressions, I plan to play them both eventually and might revise my biased judgement which could also be related to my preferences in genre - exciting suspense horror à la Alien vs. geeky cyberpunk thriller à la Matrix.)
My post was sorta tongue-in-cheek, though not entirely. I've owned a boxed CD version of SS2 (bought for about £20 off eBay) for about eight years without ever having been able to get it to work. The interest in the game on GOG made me once again look into whether or not it was possible to get this much talked about game to work. Out of the blue the NewDark patch appeared and to my amazement it did the trick. About 10 days later it was released on GOG : I didn't know whether to laugh or cry. I'm really pleased that this game finally got released from limbo and that everyone is now allowed to experience it again : what an absolute nonsense that it was unplayable for so long. Anyway, I haven't played very far into the game and have only been checking that it's working properly but from what I've seen so far it's going to be amazing.
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Theoclymenus: I love the fact that such an excellent game is so popular and on such a roll but if it ever breaks into the top 3 or gets to number 1 I'm going to be extremely upset. I've yet to play the whole game but while it is great I don't believe it is worthy of toppling any of the top 3. And if people are so in love with SS2 why aren't they feeling the same love for Deus Ex ?
I've played quite a bit of Deus Ex back when it was originally released, but very little of SS2 until it was released on GOG. For me, I really liked SS2 better than Deus Ex (even while playing Deus Ex originally). I will eventually replay Deus Ex and perhaps my views will change, but I am really enjoying playing SS2.
Post edited April 12, 2013 by jjsimp
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Theoclymenus: I love the fact that such an excellent game is so popular and on such a roll but if it ever breaks into the top 3 or gets to number 1 I'm going to be extremely upset. I've yet to play the whole game but while it is great I don't believe it is worthy of toppling any of the top 3. And if people are so in love with SS2 why aren't they feeling the same love for Deus Ex ?
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jjsimp: I've played quite a bit of Deus Ex back when it was originally released, but very little of SS2 until it was released on GOG. For me, I really liked SS2 better than Deus Ex (even while playing Deus Ex originally). I will eventually replay Deus Ex and perhaps my views will change, but I am really enjoying playing SS2.
I'm going to reserve judgment until I've played them. I completed about 80% of Deus Ex before my last PC died on me and it's one of the best games I've played. I've also bought all three Thief games from GOG and have applied TFix to Thief Gold and Tafferpatcher to Thief 2. After I've finished Fallout New Vegas (could be a while yet though I'm at level 47) I think my next game will be one of the ones I've mentioned, probably Thief 1. I've only played Deadly Shadows so far and I loved it. The late 90s was such a great time for games !
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Theoclymenus: I'm going to reserve judgment until I've played them. I completed about 80% of Deus Ex before my last PC died on me and it's one of the best games I've played. I've also bought all three Thief games from GOG and have applied TFix to Thief Gold and Tafferpatcher to Thief 2. After I've finished Fallout New Vegas (could be a while yet though I'm at level 47) I think my next game will be one of the ones I've mentioned, probably Thief 1. I've only played Deadly Shadows so far and I loved it. The late 90s was such a great time for games !
the Thief series was a favorite of mine from back then, I don't think I ever beat any of the games (result of too many games back in the late 90's early 00's), and have repurchased them on GOG (eventhough I still have all the CDs still).
27th best selling game on GOG.com after being sold for two months is quite and acomplishment but hardly suprising considering this is System Shock 2 we're talking about. Funny that NWN 2 needed 80% sale to surpass it :-p.
It's quite impressive considering many of the top sellers have been on GOG for a couple years or even longer.
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mondo84: It's quite impressive considering many of the top sellers have been on GOG for a couple years or even longer.
On the other hand, this game was the number 1 wishlist item; I don't know if we should have expected it to rise higher sooner or not.
Post edited April 13, 2013 by tfishell
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mondo84: It's quite impressive considering many of the top sellers have been on GOG for a couple years or even longer.
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tfishell: On the other hand, this game was the number 1 wishlist item; I don't know if we should have expected it to rise higher sooner or not.
I was definitely surprised. Yes, the game had more than 20,000 votes on the wishlist, but:

- People don't always put their money where their mouth is
- People who voted for the game may have decided to wait for the (inevitable) sale before buying the game
- People who voted for the game long ago might not even be around any more
- People who voted for the game might currently not have the money to buy it
- The games in the top 30 of the bestseller list are known to have sold more (probably considerably more) than 20,000 copies on GOG

Hence, it could not be expected that everyone who voted for the game would buy it, and it could not be expected that the game immediately shot that high in the bestseller list. This was achieved by lots of people buying the game who hadn't voted for it (some never having heard of the site before). There will also be people who bought several copies of the game for gifting, but I'm not sure if this amounts to a significant factor in the bookkeeping. In general, I believe that the marketing (on-site and especially off-site) contributed a lot to this success.
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tfishell: On the other hand, this game was the number 1 wishlist item; I don't know if we should have expected it to rise higher sooner or not.
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Psyringe: - The games in the top 30 of the bestseller list are known to have sold more (probably considerably more) than 20,000 copies on GOG
It'd be great to get some updated sales data. We know that Grimrock sold over 20,000 copies around the end of last year, so that's certainly gone up, and of course SS2 is a little above Grimrock. So maybe 25,000-30,000 copies? That may be a bit too much, but I'm hopeful...
Well, I bit the bullet and asked Night Dive straight up if they've got anything to say on getting the rights to System Shock 1. If they respond, I'll let you know.