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Crosmando: Gee I dunno, the sites obviously became unprofitable for a reason, and the fact that they are funded by ad revenue probably means less traffic was the reason. Meaning less people were reading their reviews, why do you think less people were reading IGN reviews? Think carefully.
Because people don't read reviews, dude, seriously, no one does anything but bitch about them, why do you think most sites have shit like wikis and walkthroughs? Because reviews don't generate traffic by themselves. Your hypothesis must apply to the entire review industry because they're all literally hemorrhaging money as far as I can tell.

Ask Jim Sterling, Angry Joe, and the rest of the small guys that syndicate to the various sites, they all have day jobs, because it doesn't pay shit.
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Crosmando: Gee I dunno, the sites obviously became unprofitable for a reason, and the fact that they are funded by ad revenue probably means less traffic was the reason. Meaning less people were reading their reviews, why do you think less people were reading IGN reviews? Think carefully.
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orcishgamer: Because people don't read reviews, dude, seriously, no one does anything but bitch about them, why do you think most sites have shit like wikis and walkthroughs? Because reviews don't generate traffic by themselves. Your hypothesis must apply to the entire review industry because they're all literally hemorrhaging money as far as I can tell.

Ask Jim Sterling, Angry Joe, and the rest of the small guys that syndicate to the various sites, they all have day jobs, because it doesn't pay shit.
People are turning to gameplay videos on youtube, or opinions from friends or blogs, because those review sites are fundamentally dishonest. Reviews will always have a place if gamers can use them to see if a game is worth buying, or if it's their type of game, before they buy it. But if a review site like IGN is giving 9's and 10's to every big Triple-A game, regardless of it's quality, of course people are going to stop reading their reviews as they no longer hold the ability to gauge the quality of a game. It's all about tricking customers into buying a turd on Day One with hype and rendered videos by limiting the flow of information.

Honestly I say good riddance, centralized information distribution is not something gaming needs, any site that is funded by having Mass Effect or Call of Duty ad banners plastered across it can't be objective. Let people think for themselves or get information through informal means like blogs.
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orcishgamer: Because people don't read reviews, dude, seriously, no one does anything but bitch about them, why do you think most sites have shit like wikis and walkthroughs? Because reviews don't generate traffic by themselves. Your hypothesis must apply to the entire review industry because they're all literally hemorrhaging money as far as I can tell.

Ask Jim Sterling, Angry Joe, and the rest of the small guys that syndicate to the various sites, they all have day jobs, because it doesn't pay shit.
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Crosmando: People are turning to gameplay videos on youtube, or opinions from friends or blogs, because those review sites are fundamentally dishonest. Reviews will always have a place if gamers can use them to see if a game is worth buying, or if it's their type of game, before they buy it. But if a review site like IGN is giving 9's and 10's to every big Triple-A game, regardless of it's quality, of course people are going to stop reading their reviews as they no longer hold the ability to gauge the quality of a game. It's all about tricking customers into buying a turd on Day One with hype and rendered videos by limiting the flow of information.

Honestly I say good riddance, centralized information distribution is not something gaming needs, any site that is funded by having Mass Effect or Call of Duty ad banners plastered across it can't be objective. Let people think for themselves or get information through informal means like blogs.
So, since you were bitching about Gears of War and Call of Duty, exactly which respectable review sites panned them? Look, I don't fucking like Gears of War either, but obviously I'm in the minority and so are you. Maybe, just maybe, they got good reviews because the vast majority of the game buying public would actually like them and find them to be a good experience. I know it's a crazy fucking thought that the world doesn't revolve around your and my dislike for Gears of War, but I suspect it is so.

Now I have another crazy fucking theory for ya, if the game reviewers are all complicit in "making shit up" and saying bad games are good, why exactly do so many games have review embargoes? Could it possibly be because the publishers don't actually believe the reviewers will make shit up on their behalf? You know what? Nah. I mean, fuck Occam's Razor, right? I'm sure it's a big conspiracy.

How's this, game reviewers are a bunch of fucking fanboys, just like you, and just like me, and just like their entire reading audience. There's no good standards for reviewing games because the industry is nascent. And fanboys, you and me included, scream bloody murder at the slightest non-issue ESPECIALLY when we disagree with it. IGN only sells ad space because you're too fucking cheap to pay for a magazine, and so am I, and so is most of the people who want to read their material. So now they have two masters they're trying to serve, oh yeah, and they're fanboys who get to talk to their heroes who make their favorite video games, and then they get to tell you what they think about them. Is it any fucking surprise that they goddamn love their heroes' latest video games? Is it any surprise that they say, "well game X which I don't even think is that good got a 9/10 from almost everyone, obviously this awesome gem deserves more!"

So yeah, fucking break out the goddamned champagne, cause I am fucking happy that a bunch of underpaid people who actually had their fucking dream job just got fucked and shitcanned because you and I are too fucking cheap to pay for our content. Fucking party favors for everyone FUCK YEAH!
Out with the old, in with the new. With the passing of the old guard, we can have the upstart reviewers and methods to take root, which should be better in the long run. This is a chance for the Sesslers, Joes, Halibuts, and Egoraptors to inherit the Earth.
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Crosmando: People are turning to gameplay videos on youtube, or opinions from friends or blogs, because those review sites are fundamentally dishonest. Reviews will always have a place if gamers can use them to see if a game is worth buying, or if it's their type of game, before they buy it. But if a review site like IGN is giving 9's and 10's to every big Triple-A game, regardless of it's quality, of course people are going to stop reading their reviews as they no longer hold the ability to gauge the quality of a game. It's all about tricking customers into buying a turd on Day One with hype and rendered videos by limiting the flow of information.

Honestly I say good riddance, centralized information distribution is not something gaming needs, any site that is funded by having Mass Effect or Call of Duty ad banners plastered across it can't be objective. Let people think for themselves or get information through informal means like blogs.
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orcishgamer: So, since you were bitching about Gears of War and Call of Duty, exactly which respectable review sites panned them? Look, I don't fucking like Gears of War either, but obviously I'm in the minority and so are you. Maybe, just maybe, they got good reviews because the vast majority of the game buying public would actually like them and find them to be a good experience. I know it's a crazy fucking thought that the world doesn't revolve around your and my dislike for Gears of War, but I suspect it is so.

Now I have another crazy fucking theory for ya, if the game reviewers are all complicit in "making shit up" and saying bad games are good, why exactly do so many games have review embargoes? Could it possibly be because the publishers don't actually believe the reviewers will make shit up on their behalf? You know what? Nah. I mean, fuck Occam's Razor, right? I'm sure it's a big conspiracy.

How's this, game reviewers are a bunch of fucking fanboys, just like you, and just like me, and just like their entire reading audience. There's no good standards for reviewing games because the industry is nascent. And fanboys, you and me included, scream bloody murder at the slightest non-issue ESPECIALLY when we disagree with it. IGN only sells ad space because you're too fucking cheap to pay for a magazine, and so am I, and so is most of the people who want to read their material. So now they have two masters they're trying to serve, oh yeah, and they're fanboys who get to talk to their heroes who make their favorite video games, and then they get to tell you what they think about them. Is it any fucking surprise that they goddamn love their heroes' latest video games? Is it any surprise that they say, "well game X which I don't even think is that good got a 9/10 from almost everyone, obviously this awesome gem deserves more!"

So yeah, fucking break out the goddamned champagne, cause I am fucking happy that a bunch of underpaid people who actually had their fucking dream job just got fucked and shitcanned because you and I are too fucking cheap to pay for our content. Fucking party favors for everyone FUCK YEAH!
Gears of War and it's like are shitty games by simple logic that they have less features and actual gameplay than other titles. Unless of course you think removing the gameplay from the game makes for a better game? 90% of these games are computer rendered movies, pushing a button every now and again to take cover or whatever means about as much as hitting the pause button on occasion while watching a Bluray. No adult can objectively find the vulgar, immature rubbish shoveled off the video game production line of today to be "good".

A majority of people liking a particular game does not make it good, it simply means that an entire generation of gamers have been brought up to think that the video part of video games is the only important part, and screw the gameplay. Sorry to shit all over your "all opinions are equal" crap, but most people do have low standards, general ignorance, and happily consume any mass-produced pop-culture garbage because it's on tv or whatnot. Gears of War, Call of Duty, Halo and it's like are the bottom of the barrel, the reality tv shows of gaming. The fact that they are the mainstream-of-mainstream obviously they are the worst of the worst, because your average Joe probab;y doesn't not give a single shit about complex or interesting gameplay, he just wants to sit down on hos couch after a long day and collect button-mashing achievements on his XBAWKS am I right.

So whether they're fanboys or not, they have shit taste and are promoting shit. Fuck them for ignoring the true gems in Indie gaming, fuck them for not comparing Halo to Doom or Hexen and not coming to the obvious conclusion that FPS has declined, or not playing Fallout 3 and condemning it for betraying Fallout 1 and 2. Because the fact is these so called gaming journalists probably never played Doom or Fallout, they probably haven't played a single PC game before 2003, so how can they tell if gaming has gone backwards? Ignorance isn't an excuse.

Good riddance to bad rubbish. But I'm sure they could easily transition into a marketing bot job for Activision or EA.
Post edited February 22, 2013 by Crosmando
1UP had a ton of good content. It had a lot of great writers over the years. So sad to see them go.

Why couldn't they just shut down IGN proper? THAT is what needs the mercy killing.
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Psyringe: Well ... will multiplayer be available for these games at all afterwards?
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liquidsnakehpks: no they closed down the multiplayer servers , which means the game purely dependent on gamespy for multiplayer aka no lan option games will not work

http://games.slashdot.org/story/12/12/07/2250252/gamespys-new-owners-begin-disabling-multiplayer-without-warning
This is sad. I am pretty sure Medal of Honor: Allied Assault relied on Gamespy for its multiplayer. I bought a jewel case CD of that a couple years ago and played the mp on and off. People were still playing all these years later. It really was a lot of fun.

I like simple multiplayer like that without the complexities of leveling up, perks, etc. and the balance issues that go with it. Everyone was always on a level playing field. Just jump in anytime and have fun.

It is a shame too that both Neverwinter Nights games used it. :(
Post edited February 22, 2013 by dirtyharry50
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Foxhack: Why couldn't they just shut down IGN proper? THAT is what needs the mercy killing.
I suppose IGN prime is still making them some money. I also suppose that IGN got far more page hits than 1UP, though I haven't checked this.
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McDon: Trying to decide: Destructoid or Kotaku?
Anyone know these sites better?
Destructiod/ RPS or Giant Bomb. Kotaku just copies what everyone else has ..
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Crosmando: snip
God, I am so glad your tastes are a minority now. Gamining do not really need to go through canonization and glorification of "the truth" and "the one only correct opinion".

By the way, did anyone suddenly got reminded of Adorno in the 40's-50's....
Post edited February 22, 2013 by amok
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johnki: I use RPS but they're PC-based and don't post a whole lot collectively.
I like RPS to keep tabs on what's out there in PC-land, but it still feels like a lot slips through the cracks there. Are there any other decent sites revolving only around the PC which are similar? Most gaming sites these days are so console-centric it's not even worth checking them for the odd PC news they may post.
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johnki: I use RPS but they're PC-based and don't post a whole lot collectively.
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mistermumbles: I like RPS to keep tabs on what's out there in PC-land, but it still feels like a lot slips through the cracks there. Are there any other decent sites revolving only around the PC which are similar? Most gaming sites these days are so console-centric it's not even worth checking them for the odd PC news they may post.
I read RPS and penny arcade report (maybe you find it useful aswell) Ars Technica has good reviews aswell (when they make them 1 or 2 a year :D)

Somewhat nice that they are shutting down because of their buyability and them ruining the game scoring system (In the old days 5/10 or 50% meant decent middle ground game, nowadays if you aren't in the 90% you're crap)
Post edited February 22, 2013 by dewtech

Load of bollocks...
Talk about up your own arse. You sound like you've got a lot of personal anger and should probably stay away from the internet til you get it sorted.
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Foxhack: Why couldn't they just shut down IGN proper? THAT is what needs the mercy killing.
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Psyringe: I suppose IGN prime is still making them some money. I also suppose that IGN got far more page hits than 1UP, though I haven't checked this.
last I checked IGN had 20-30x the number of page views according to stats sites...
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dewtech: ...
Somewhat nice that they are shutting down because of their buyability and them ruining the game scoring system (In the old days 5/10 or 50% meant decent middle ground game, nowadays if you aren't in the 90% you're crap)
That's the same here with the reviews. GOG games with less than 4.5 stares are probably really bad. Anyway there aren't so many with less stars.

Maybe one should just publish for how many hours a game is played on average by how many people and otherwise get rid of any numerical ratings. Bad games tend to end up not being played anymore. I would even allow a carefully selected tool to check my game running time if privacy is ensured and results are completely accessible.