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truhlik: OK. It's time to learn modding, create some useless sword and became multimillionaire :) Thanks Valve
Except that the mod creator won't become wealthy or rich.

First, they only get 25% of the sales. Valve gets 30% and Bethesda gets 45%.

Second, they only get money for every 100 USD they manage to make, which equates to 400 USD being actually mage.

Third, they do not get money banked into a bank account or PayPal. Nope, they money they get goes into Steam Wallet which can only be used to buy games on Steam and not for anything else.

So only Valve and Bethesda gets rich. The mod creator actually gains nothing since Steam Wallet cannot be translated into real money which means it has zero value outside of the Steam client itself.

The real winner here is Bethesda. They can make money by doing absolutely nothing except provide the Creation Kit. They can make shitty vanilla / base games, modders will fix it for them and they get the biggest cut from that. Valve is merely the middeman, the facilitator. The real loser here is not even the modding community since there is Nexusmods and moddb.com. The real biggest loser here is the mod authors who put their hard work out there, do not get a massive payment for it and they payment they get, they cannot use it for anything except for Steam stuff.

So while Valve should be blamed, the REAL blame is Bethesda.
Post edited April 27, 2015 by Tishen-13
http://badassdigest.com/2015/04/26/paid-steam-mod-fiasco-demonstrates-valves-need-to-grow-up/
Post edited April 27, 2015 by Barry_Woodward
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truhlik: OK. It's time to learn modding, create some useless sword and became multimillionaire :) Thanks Valve
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Tishen-13: Except that the mod creator won't become wealthy or rich.

First, they only get 25% of the sales. Valve gets 30% and Bethesda gets 45%.

Second, they only get money for every 100 USD they manage to make, which equates to 400 USD being actually mage.

Third, they do not get money banked into a bank account or PayPal. Nope, they money they get goes into Steam Wallet which can only be used to buy games on Steam and not for anything else.

So only Valve and Bethesda gets rich. The mod creator actually gains nothing since Steam Wallet cannot be translated into real money which means it has zero value outside of the Steam client itself.

The real winner here is Bethesda. They can make money by doing absolutely nothing except provide the Creation Kit. They can make shitty vanilla / base games, modders will fix it for them and they get the biggest cut from that. Valve is merely the middeman, the facilitator. The real loser here is not even the modding community since there is Nexusmods and moddb.com. The real biggest loser here is the mod authors who put their hard work out there, do not get a massive payment for it and they payment they get, they cannot use it for anything except for Steam stuff.

So while Valve should be blamed, the REAL blame is Bethesda.
I will not buy anymore from the Steam Store for this... they (Valve) are only a greedy company, despite what they always said. Bethesda, like EA or others, should not to be blamed, because they've never been different... Valve used to be.

I'm switching the entire catalog of games I own to DRM Free (most of them from GOG)... I'll use Steam in the future only if there is a game I already bought I want to play that isn't on GOG, or to use the streaming feature.

The paid mods are only the tip of the iceberg, greenlight, early access, hats, cards, badgets, markets in dota2, tf2, etc... are all rubbish things that are ruining the PC gaming...
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Tishen-13: Third, they do not get money banked into a bank account or PayPal. Nope, they money they get goes into Steam Wallet which can only be used to buy games on Steam and not for anything else.
Are you sure about that? Valve asks for your bank account number, you know, even if you are intending to offer your mod for free.
Post edited April 27, 2015 by Grargar
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Gaxel: I'm switching the entire catalog of games I own to DRM Free (most of them from GOG)... I'll use Steam in the future only if there is a game I already bought I want to play that isn't on GOG, or to use the streaming feature.
Let me warn you, the first 6 months after you switch is the hardest. I wasn't on steam long, but the temptation to just give steam more access on my computer and to buy a few more games that are ultra cheap is a huge setback. If you really want to go DRM-free and Valve-free/Steam-free, you have to let your entire past library go. Maybe you can ask for a refund based on dissatisfaction (course they probably will say no), but staying away will be difficult.
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Gaxel: I'm switching the entire catalog of games I own to DRM Free (most of them from GOG)... I'll use Steam in the future only if there is a game I already bought I want to play that isn't on GOG, or to use the streaming feature.
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rtcvb32: Let me warn you, the first 6 months after you switch is the hardest. I wasn't on steam long, but the temptation to just give steam more access on my computer and to buy a few more games that are ultra cheap is a huge setback. If you really want to go DRM-free and Valve-free/Steam-free, you have to let your entire past library go. Maybe you can ask for a refund based on dissatisfaction (course they probably will say no), but staying away will be difficult.
Yeah I know... but most of my library on Steam is made of game I won't play anymore, and I don't think there is a game everybody must play, other then the first Deus Ex... so, since I can live without all my entire Steam library, I'll live without some great games that will be released only on Steam.

I'm also an Xbox One/360 user though, I can buy some triple a there if I absolutely need to play them, but on PC I'll buy only DRM Free from now on.
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Gaxel: Yeah I know... but most of my library on Steam is made of games I won't play anymore, and I don't think there is a game everybody must play, other then the first Deus Ex... so, since I can live without all my entire Steam library, I'll live without some great games that will be released only on Steam.

I'm also an Xbox One/360 user though, I can buy some triple a there if I absolutely need to play them, but on PC I'll buy only DRM Free from now on.
I wish you luck then...

Although i do have a few must-have games recommended, one being Ring Runner :P
Post edited April 27, 2015 by rtcvb32
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rtcvb32: Hmmm... Shouldn't mods being sold be renamed to DLC?
Don't insult DLC because DLC are suppose to work every time the game is updated. DLC is suppose to work with each other and won't break the game if all of them is installed together.
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Tishen-13: Third, they do not get money banked into a bank account or PayPal. Nope, they money they get goes into Steam Wallet which can only be used to buy games on Steam and not for anything else.
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Grargar: Are you sure about that? Valve asks for your bank account number, you know, even if you are intending to offer your mod for free.
Yeah, that statement isn't correct at all. There's a whole transaction FAQ that explains all about taxes and how you can't even sell a mod without giving your bank information.

It was probably confused with the 24hr refund which was mentioned which does only go to the Steam wallet.
Post edited April 27, 2015 by Pheace
And it began, mob is calming down lol
https://imgur.com/jtrklCb

I title this - "Master Race Pride"
Post edited April 27, 2015 by ashtonx
Elder Scrolls Online failed. Result: paid mods for Skyrim and, probably, Fallout: New Vegas.
Possible consequences: low sales of TES6 and Fallout 4. Who needs paid mods anyway?
Those titles lost huge part of value. Paid mods = no mods.
Bethesda has changed a lot in these last years.
I still remember when they gave away Arena and Daggerfall for free, when both games turned 10.

I was also expecting them to give Morrowind for free in 2012.
When they didn't it became clear that this wasn't the same Bethesda of some years ago.
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Grargar: Are you sure about that? Valve asks for your bank account number, you know, even if you are intending to offer your mod for free.
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Pheace: Yeah, that statement isn't correct at all. There's a whole transaction FAQ that explains all about taxes and how you can't even sell a mod without giving your bank information.

It was probably confused with the 24hr refund which was mentioned which does only go to the Steam wallet.
My bad.
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karnak1: Bethesda has changed a lot in these last years.
I still remember when they gave away Arena and Daggerfall for free, when both games turned 10.

I was also expecting them to give Morrowind for free in 2012.
When they didn't it became clear that this wasn't the same Bethesda of some years ago.
I can get them not giving a game for free, especially if it was originally a paid title. I mean, it's their decision who they gift and who they don't.
It's the fact that they're denying us something that was free and putting it behind a paywall. That's just sick on so many levels.
And you should see the people defending it. They're machines.
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ashtonx: And it began, mob is calming down lol
https://imgur.com/jtrklCb

I title this - "Master Race Pride"
Eh, you always are going to get those ones who will break or just rationalize a companies decisions no matter how stupid they are. Take for example TNA wrestling, since 2001 that company has been horribly managed to the point where they are basically on life support. Yet despite all the signs of the company has been going under for years, the horrid creative decisions, bad management and so on. You still have those who will defend that company, when big stars get's tired of not being payed or having their checks coming in later because TNA can't make payroll on time or is tired of the stupid booking decisions and playing to increasingly smaller and smaller crowds. Oh well we don't need them, TNA is fine. When they were dropped by their network of many years and were forced to go to a much smaller one and their ratings were going from 1.0's to .35 due to the move. Oh well it's a good thing since Spike didn't treat TNA right, never advertised them properly now Destination America that is a great channel they are advertising the hell out of the program and sure the raitings are low now but it's going to take time for fans to find the channel and when they do it's going to be a true win-win as TNA will help grow Destination America and they will help bring new eyes on the product. Despite the fact that even on Spike which has a lager viewer base they went from 3.0 to 2.0 to 1.0 to low 0.8's in the ratings before they were yanked and were being beaten by re-runs of Cops.

Because the product was awful to watch. Point is Fanboys are Fanboys for a reason they are fanatics, logic and reason is lost on them and they will forgive almost anything and find someway to put a positive spin on things, even when something does bother them they end up moments later doing a 180 and putting a positive spin on it. But they are also the minority. We don't know just what the effect of this really is, how many people are still upset by this move and how many see it as the last straw till we start seeing real numbers.

Time will tell, but even if this turns out to be nothing more then a bitchfest and the majority of people are just going to keep using steam, this is still a bad thing for Valve in my opinon since this as far as I can recall has been the first time since the service launched that I have seen this kind of negative reaction towards them, Valve got to be where they were because they built up a ton of goodwill with people and it seems they are at real risk of burning that goodwill and if they continue down this road it could very well put a big dent in their dominance in the PC market.