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mechgouki: Digital copies more expensive than Retail copies? 0_o

Does that happen often? I remembered when Future Soldier came out, it was $60US, my stores sold slightly cheaper than that. I hope it doesn't happen for all the games.
I know it does for consoles. PC releases I haven't checked in store in a long time. In Europe I hear it is fairly common for new releases to be a good deal cheaper in stores than through digital.

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mechgouki: Dark Souls is good. You see, for Dark Souls, the Steam client is optional, not forced.

Though, you will use GFWL like it or not, and I really can't say I like it more than Steam.
Every online retailer I checked out of curiosity only sold steam keys for the game after release. The game still requires GFWL too with steam. The only option to have the game is through steam unless you get an EU retail edition.

If there is a place that sold it only requiring GFWL it hasn't come up in the few times the game has been mentioned on this forum.
Post edited December 20, 2012 by Fictionvision
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Snickersnack: Uplay lets me redownload FarCry3.
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mechgouki: You sure? I could have sworn it didn't let me redownload Prince of Persia Forgotten Sands.
I finished FarCry3 a few days ago and uninstalled it. When I launch Uplay and hit the 'games' tab it presents me with a button to download FC3. Pressing it appears to start a download process but I didn't bother to redownload the whole thing. I'd be happy to try a full reinstall if that would be useful.

My FC3 was purchased through the Ubi store (used a coupon actually). My copy of HoMMVI however, does not allow redownloading from the Uplay client (HoMMVI is a Uplay game). I believe this is because I purchased HoMMVI through Steam. I can redownload HoMMVI through Steam.
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jefequeso: Haven't I seen this before...?
Wait, you use the white background.

*readies pitchforks and torches*
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mechgouki: You sure? I could have sworn it didn't let me redownload Prince of Persia Forgotten Sands.
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Snickersnack: I finished FarCry3 a few days ago and uninstalled it. When I launch Uplay and hit the 'games' tab it presents me with a button to download FC3. Pressing it appears to start a download process but I didn't bother to redownload the whole thing. I'd be happy to try a full reinstall if that would be useful.

My FC3 was purchased through the Ubi store (used a coupon actually). My copy of HoMMVI however, does not allow redownloading from the Uplay client (HoMMVI is a Uplay game). I believe this is because I purchased HoMMVI through Steam. I can redownload HoMMVI through Steam.
My PoP FS is a retail copy. I had to register it on Uplay. But after uninstallation, I check the client to see if there was a way to reinstall it. There was none. I even googled downloading through Uplay, and it seems that people who compared Steam to Uplay also noted that they couldn't redownload their retail games.

Unless they've changed their system the last time I've checked....
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Novotnus: Steam is not retarded - it's clever and respectable buisness, just not one I want to use if I have an alternative that suits me more.
No reason to hate it.
Dude, there's LOTS of reasons to hate Steam. They've developed into the same kind of evil empire as Apple has over the years. Their terms of use are pure evil, their VAC has banned innocent users, their moderators on the forums are assholes who ban people at will and if bad stuff happens to you there's a good chance that nobody's gonna help you (like that guy who lost access to his account for gifting too much, didn't get any explanation or help from the support and only got it back after some journalists wrote about his experience). Then there's unfair regional pricing, regional availability and extreme censorship for users located in some countries (such as Germany - my buddy paid more money just to get the uncut PEGI version from the UK, played the uncensored version for a few days or so and suddenly had the censored version after an automatic update).

So yeah, there is really a lot of reasons to hate Steam.
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jefequeso: Haven't I seen this before...?
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SimonG: Wait, you use the white background.

*readies pitchforks and torches*
<_<

>_>

...maybe...
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mechgouki: Digital copies more expensive than Retail copies? 0_o

Does that happen often? I remembered when Future Soldier came out, it was $60US, my stores sold slightly cheaper than that. I hope it doesn't happen for all the games.
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Fictionvision: I know it does for consoles. PC releases I haven't checked in store in a long time. In Europe I hear it is fairly common for new releases to be a good deal cheaper in stores than through digital.

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mechgouki: Dark Souls is good. You see, for Dark Souls, the Steam client is optional, not forced.

Though, you will use GFWL like it or not, and I really can't say I like it more than Steam.
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Fictionvision: Every online retailer I checked out of curiosity only sold steam keys for the game after release. The game still requires GFWL too with steam. The only option to have the game is through steam unless you get an EU retail edition.

If there is a place that sold it only requiring GFWL it hasn't come up in the few times the game has been mentioned on this forum.
Consoles, meh.. I used to love consoles. Now I avoid them completely.

For Dark Souls are you certain of that?

I saw the retail package, there is a Steam Icon, but I am sure that it is optional. You can choose not to use Steam.

In fact, I even downloaded the torrent just to try it out. (I deleted after trying, of course.) I am certain that the game does not require Steam. It does use Securom, if my memory serves.
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Novotnus: Steam is not retarded - it's clever and respectable buisness, just not one I want to use if I have an alternative that suits me more.
No reason to hate it.
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F4LL0UT: Dude, there's LOTS of reasons to hate Steam. They've developed into the same kind of evil empire as Apple has over the years. Their terms of use are pure evil, their VAC has banned innocent users, their moderators on the forums are assholes who ban people at will and if bad stuff happens to you there's a good chance that nobody's gonna help you (like that guy who lost access to his account for gifting too much, didn't get any explanation or help from the support and only got it back after some journalists wrote about his experience). Then there's unfair regional pricing, regional availability and extreme censorship for users located in some countries (such as Germany - my buddy paid more money just to get the uncut PEGI version from the UK, played the uncensored version for a few days or so and suddenly had the censored version after an automatic update).

So yeah, there is really a lot of reasons to hate Steam.
Exactly. In simple terms, THEY control the games, that WE pay good money for.

We paid good money for our games, and we still have to ask them for PERMISSION to use it.
Post edited December 20, 2012 by mechgouki
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Fictionvision: I know it does for consoles. PC releases I haven't checked in store in a long time. In Europe I hear it is fairly common for new releases to be a good deal cheaper in stores than through digital.



Every online retailer I checked out of curiosity only sold steam keys for the game after release. The game still requires GFWL too with steam. The only option to have the game is through steam unless you get an EU retail edition.

If there is a place that sold it only requiring GFWL it hasn't come up in the few times the game has been mentioned on this forum.
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mechgouki: Consoles, meh.. I used to love consoles. Now I avoid them completely.

For Dark Souls are you certain of that?

I saw the retail package, there is a Steam Icon, but I am sure that it is optional. You can choose not to use Steam.

In fact, I even downloaded the torrent just to try it out. (I deleted after trying, of course.) I am certain that the game does not require Steam. It does use Securom, if my memory serves.
The only retail release was EU one AFAIK. Maybe it got released elsewhere too, but if its using the same game version, it wouldn't need Steam. There was a thread here a while back where someone managed to get the game to install and almost start up without an internet connection. I'd assume the torrented version you got was based off it. They added later on the option to put the keys into steam to get the game there from the retail edition if people wanted so.

Every place that sold it digital was only through steam keys
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Fictionvision: The only retail release was EU one AFAIK. Maybe it got released elsewhere too, but if its using the same game version, it wouldn't need Steam. There was a thread here a while back where someone managed to get the game to install and almost start up without an internet connection. I'd assume the torrented version you got was based off it. They added later on the option to put the keys into steam to get the game there from the retail edition if people wanted so.

Every place that sold it digital was only through steam keys
Yeah, I think it should be as you say.

But anyway, my point is that I actually think more games should be like that, giving Steam as an option, rather than actually forcing it.

If we don't like the disc Check DRM, we can use the Steam code, something like that etc.
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F4LL0UT: Dude, there's LOTS of reasons to hate Steam. They've developed into the same kind of evil empire as Apple has over the years. Their terms of use are pure evil, their VAC has banned innocent users, their moderators on the forums are assholes who ban people at will and if bad stuff happens to you there's a good chance that nobody's gonna help you (like that guy who lost access to his account for gifting too much, didn't get any explanation or help from the support and only got it back after some journalists wrote about his experience). Then there's unfair regional pricing, regional availability and extreme censorship for users located in some countries (such as Germany - my buddy paid more money just to get the uncut PEGI version from the UK, played the uncensored version for a few days or so and suddenly had the censored version after an automatic update).

So yeah, there is really a lot of reasons to hate Steam.
Bo reason to doubt your words. But:
- If someone wants my money, I feel compulsive need to investigate him.
During my investigation:
- I've found many people who enjoy Steam and want to buy from them,
- I've found out Steam has some features that are unacceptable for me (it has its own client, it likes to be always on-line and it's a form of DRM).
My conclusion was: Steam is something nice but also something that doesn't suit my needs and likings.
- There are people who don't like Steam for many different and mostly reasonable reasons.
I don't hate Steam as I don't have anything to do with it.
Post edited December 20, 2012 by Novotnus
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Novotnus: I don't hate Steam as I don't have anything to do with it.
I have no problem with people not hating Steam and I'm not a Steam hater myself (although I find some of its aspects and possible scenarios rather uncanny). My problem was only that you said that there's "no reason to hate Steam" - sure, you can speak for yourself but for some people there's obviously reasons to hate it. And the "respectable business" thing is in my opinion highly arguable. In my eyes a respectable business shouldn't deny its clients the ability to file a class action lawsuit nor should its terms of use eliminate any responsibility to provide an explanation or reason when denying its clients access to services they paid for - even if this "no explanation, no reason" thing is just common practice when defining terms of use, Steam is actually frequently making use of this stuff and that does not seem very "respectable" to me.
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Pheace: GOG forums, the drain that catches people who want to vent at Steam :)
Another day, another Steam hate thread.
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F4LL0UT: I have no problem with people not hating Steam and I'm not a Steam hater myself (although I find some of its aspects and possible scenarios rather uncanny). My problem was only that you said that there's "no reason to hate Steam" - sure, you can speak for yourself but for some people there's obviously reasons to hate it. And the "respectable business" thing is in my opinion highly arguable. In my eyes a respectable business shouldn't deny its clients the ability to file a class action lawsuit nor should its terms of use eliminate any responsibility to provide an explanation or reason when denying its clients access to services they paid for - even if this "no explanation, no reason" thing is just common practice when defining terms of use, Steam is actually frequently making use of this stuff and that does not seem very "respectable" to me.
Right - maybe I misworded what I wanted to say. By 'respectable' I mean there is a lot of people who - despite mantioned flaws - are happy with Steam as it is. There's no reason to do anything about it - Steam suits them, GOG suits us. If there is anybody that can make those people drop Steam - it's Steam itself. If Valve pushes them too hard, they'll probably move somewhere else. That's how capitalism works and that's pretty OK.
For me - someone who has nothing to do with Steam - all there is to do about them is aknowledge their existence.
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I just want to say Origin store is retarded as well.

It's Christmas, and I finally decided that I will get for myself Mass Effect 3, nevermind the fact that it is using Origin, which happened to be one of the apps that I hate the most.

So I put enough money in my paypal account, and happily decided to check out the items.

What happened next is that I struggled for half an hour, trying to find the stupid paypal option for payment.

After many Google searches for this issue, I finally realized what the freaking problem was. Origin Store uses a separate store/website for each and every region. In my case, they actually forgot to implement this payment option in the store for my region. US users can use paypal, but not me.

And to make matters worse, I can't change the bloody region or the bloody language. They lock it in, I can't even change what region I want to purchase from.


They should just shut down the bloody site and fire all their top management. They have no idea how to run a business.
Post edited December 26, 2012 by mechgouki
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mechgouki: I just want to say Origin store is retarded as well.

It's Christmas, and I finally decided that I will get for myself Mass Effect 3, nevermind the fact that it is using Origin, which happened to be one of the apps that I hate the most.

So I put enough money in my paypal account, and happily decided to check out the items.

What happened next is that I struggled for half an hour, trying to find the stupid paypal option for payment.

After many Google searches for this issue, I finally realized what the freaking problem was. Origin Store uses a separate store/website for each and every region. In my case, they actually forgot to implement this payment option in the store for my region. US users can use paypal, but not me.

And to make matters worse, I can't change the bloody region or the bloody language. They lock it in, I can't even change what region I want to purchase from.


They should just shut down the bloody site and fire all their top management. They have no idea how to run a business.
EA as a whole is retarded. I have all three Mass Effect games, each one is registered via a different EA system. I can't even remember what ME 1 is registered through, ME 2 is only on my Bioware account and ME 3 is only on my Origin client. At no point do any of them interact for registration purposes.

Not to mention I got ME 1 and 2 via steam along with Dead Space 1 and 2, I was unlucky enough to get these when Valve and EA had their falling out, as a result I still can't register my copies of Dead Space 1 and 2. I ended up just cracking the damned things.

Remember that time when you had to be more tech savvy to be able to find and download a crack? I find it amazing how that has now switched to the easier option with the amount of hoops I've had to jump through as a legitimate customer. I'd go on but I'm really just preaching to the choir at this point. :P