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Theoclymenus: I'm not computer savvy, I'd be the first to admit that - but I'm certainly not thick. And because I'm not thick I'm not going to take just anyone's advice here. Do you understand what happened here ? I inserted a CD, I went through a normal install procedure, and then, when attempting to launch the game, I was asked whether I wanted to install the protection software (I can't actually remember what it said on the screen, shame on me for not having a photographic memory and not taking notes). I clicked Yes and now my computer will not start.

I didn't willingly or knowingly install Starforce on my computer - I just pressed Yes. So what the hell are you talking about ? And it is 100% Starforce. People like you are so irritating.
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Bloodygoodgames: Jesus, you're not only not computer savvy. You're rude and thick as well apparently..

Just for your information, I wasn't 'dissing you' (if you could read properly, you would have figured that out). I was standing up for you saying not everyone is computer savvy. And then.....I gave you a link to a very good website that could help you fix your problem as YES I DO understand what happened as, actually, I am NOT thick.

And NO, I did not say "it wasn't Starforce" that was the problem. I said it wasn't 100 percent certain it was the Starforce DRIVER that was the problem ie: it could have been anything else to do with Starforce and not just the driver. It could have been a myriad of other things, which was why I was saying, along with everyone else 'start your computer in Safe Mode and delete it{.

So, I'd suggest a) you learn to read and b) stop being so goddamn rude or you're not likely to find anyone on here to help you.
Okay then, sorry (I mean it). I was completely failing to understand most stuff at the end of last night. You are in truth a very groovy poster and I got it wrong, and I'm not just saying that. Paranoid-mode had kicked in big time but then the miracle happened ! Sorry , XX
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Spinorial: All's well that ends well? Now read up on how to completely clear the thing out of your system and be done with it. You can keep the game files, mind you, just find a crack to run them with. Or send to the dev, asking for a Starforce-less DL.
I agree and thank you. Is there a list of games which contain Starforce protection ? I'm not very observant and lots of other people aren't : they just want to live their lives and games are just an enhancement to their lives, and that's how it should be. We shouldn't have to fear putting a CD in our computers ....
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Spinorial: All's well that ends well? Now read up on how to completely clear the thing out of your system and be done with it. You can keep the game files, mind you, just find a crack to run them with. Or send to the dev, asking for a Starforce-less DL.
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Theoclymenus: I agree and thank you. Is there a list of games which contain Starforce protection ? I'm not very observant and lots of other people aren't : they just want to live their lives and games are just an enhancement to their lives, and that's how it should be. We shouldn't have to fear putting a CD in our computers ....
This seems like a fairly comprehensive list of games and DRMs, simply googling <game name>+"DRM" should also tell you what there is to know.

Sadly, shoddy installers are nothing new. I remember how the first Half-Life was meant to be installed into a folder \Sierra\Half-Life. They patched it later, but if you happened to install into just \Half-Life, and then decided to uninstall, it would also delete everything in the folder where \Half-Life was located. If it was \Games\Half-Life, all your games would be wiped. If it was Program Files\Half-Life or C:\Half-Life... well, you don't need to be a tech wiz to figure out how bad wiping those out would be :P
The hidden history : what happened while no-one else was looking. This could definitely become a theme. I am so grateful for the kindness which some very intelligent soul showed me last night.
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Bloodygoodgames: Jesus, you're not only not computer savvy. You're rude and thick as well apparently..

Just for your information, I wasn't 'dissing you' (if you could read properly, you would have figured that out). I was standing up for you saying not everyone is computer savvy. And then.....I gave you a link to a very good website that could help you fix your problem as YES I DO understand what happened as, actually, I am NOT thick.

And NO, I did not say "it wasn't Starforce" that was the problem. I said it wasn't 100 percent certain it was the Starforce DRIVER that was the problem ie: it could have been anything else to do with Starforce and not just the driver. It could have been a myriad of other things, which was why I was saying, along with everyone else 'start your computer in Safe Mode and delete it{.

So, I'd suggest a) you learn to read and b) stop being so goddamn rude or you're not likely to find anyone on here to help you.
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Theoclymenus: Okay then, sorry (I mean it). I was completely failing to understand most stuff at the end of last night. You are in truth a very groovy poster and I got it wrong, and I'm not just saying that. Paranoid-mode had kicked in big time but then the miracle happened ! Sorry , XX
Apology accepted (even if it was a weird one :)

Seriously, the vast majority of people on GOG are really helpful and not out to cause you trouble. And, yes, I'm happy for you that your problem fixed itself :)

Besides....you're a fellow Brit, and that means something!
Post edited May 04, 2013 by Bloodygoodgames
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Elenarie: And if you didn't install the copy protection, the game wouldn't have worked at all. And there is absolutely nothing scary about this, it is like installing an outdated driver for whatever hardware, and then that driver messing up the system.
The main difference is that in this case it is about the DRM or copy protection, which does nothing good for the end-user, messing up the system. A far cry from installing a new device driver for hardware, which is supposed to benefit the end-user and is pretty much needed anyway.

Meaning: the end-user would be far better off, if the copy protection wouldn't have been there to begin with.

I actually had a somewhat similar experience lately when I tried to get Wheel of Time retail version to run in a Win98SE installation running in VMWare Player. While it probably has some less stringent copy protection than Starforce (a 1999 game), it was apparently the copy protection (CD check) which prevented me from running the CD version in VMWare Player/Win98SE even though the installation itself worked straight from the CDs.

As soon as I installed a copy protection removal crack to the game, I could suddenly start the game also in the target system. So once again, the copy protection did nothing to me but being an impediment to play the game. Not even closely related to an useful hardware device driver acting up.
Post edited May 04, 2013 by timppu
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timppu: Meaning: the end-user would be far better off, if the copy protection wouldn't have been there to begin with.
Well, of course.