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So, after 3 years, I have finished watching Star Trek. Admittedly, I haven't watched the original series as I'm just unable to stomach them, and I didn't watch any of the movies yet (and the animated series, but I don't really plan to watch those either), but I've watched all the ~600 episodes of The Next Generation, Deep Space Nine, Voyager and Enterprise. All that follows is my opinion, just my opinion, and nothing else.

First of all: Star Trek is more than I have ever imagined it could be, but at the same time, as a TV show, it's worse than I've hoped it would be.

I'm not an easy guy to get moved by something, especially now that I have more or less gotten out of puberty and am able to laugh to fart jokes again. But Star Trek managed to get me thinking on so many subjects, and tackled so many difficult issues, often ahead of its time - including addiction to videogames, that it has resolved with 'everything is fine in healthy amounts' as opposed to 'getting lost in fantasy is evil', which is just amazing. And... It goes like this with everything, really - I was expecting it to pull the traditional Christian morality at us and 'enlightening' other races in the fictional galaxy with it. Instead, Star Trek preaches to embrace even cultures that would, to us, seem foul and evil. And that is fantastic. I could just go on, it's full of opinions and resolutions that are reasonable and make sense outside of boundaries of what would normally be 'proper' - I guess that's how it has gotten its fame too.

On the other hand, with all it does right, I just can't but feel that as TV series it also does a lot wrong. Star Trek was utterly unable to get pacing of its episodes right 'till about half way trough the Voyager, and while most episodes had an interesting main plot, there usually were sub-plots which raged from sub-par to rightdown silly. A lot of weird filler episodes didn't really help either. I feel that as a best TV show, Enterprise wins hands down, especially when it gets its continuous story arc going. As for my favorite Star Trek series, as far as I'm concerned, Voyager wins - it seems to combine what I liked about The Next Generation with what I have liked about Enterprise, and mix all that with a stranded theme that I simply love. Then there's the oddball of Deep Space Nine, that I... Kind of liked, but Babylon 5 just wins on all fronts there.

Now, to the second thing I wanted to talk about a bit: The Star Trek reboot. I have actually seen it before I have started watching ST, and I had absolutely no idea why would somebody hate it. And... Now I finally understand. I don't know if today's average viewer is just not interested in anything at least a bit more deep, but what I can see is that this reboot has effectively erased all that has happened in the other ST shows, along with a hope that we could see continuation to Star Trek actually dealing with difficult issues in a reasonable and humane way. And that's an incredible shame.

Well... Sorry for the wall of text, just wanted to put that out there. I'm not even going to proofread it, I hope someone can make sense of my ramblings.
No original series! :(

+1'd
Post edited April 25, 2013 by Tiefood
I am more interested in where did you see the entire seires minus the original.


Also are you going to watch the films pre JJ Abrams?
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Tiefood: No original series! :(

+1'd
Also the animated series :(
Post edited April 25, 2013 by Elmofongo
I never understood why the crew frowned upon the behavior of that town they went to where everyone went totally nuts once a day and started looting and raping everyone and everything. I for one think that would have been a pretty groovy place to hang out.
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tinyE: I never understood why the crew frowned upon the behavior of that town they went to where everyone went totally nuts once a day and started looting and raping everyone and everything. I for one think that would have been a pretty groovy place to hang out.
Unless you were a 'red shirt'. That wouldn't end well.
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tinyE: I never understood why the crew frowned upon the behavior of that town they went to where everyone went totally nuts once a day and started looting and raping everyone and everything. I for one think that would have been a pretty groovy place to hang out.
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HomerSimpson: Unless you were a 'red shirt'. That wouldn't end well.
True. I'm pretty sure that is the same episode where Kirk states that he can't drive a car which goes totally against the early parts of the Star Trek remake.
600 episodes?! The Next Generation, is that the first aside from the original TV-series? Chronological release, not the main plot.
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Nirth: 600 episodes?! The Next Generation, is that the first aside from the original TV-series? Chronological release, not the main plot.
The Next Generation was the second TV series.

It's a good series, but it differed substantially from the original series in pretty much every way. Plus, in some ways it didn't push the boundaries as much as the original series did.

I mean, finding somebody to kiss Shatner must have required a substantial amount of effort.
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Nirth: 600 episodes?! The Next Generation, is that the first aside from the original TV-series? Chronological release, not the main plot.
Yep, TNG is the one that came after TOS. And 600 episodes - every major show aside from TOS and Enterprise had 7 seasons, every season 24 episodes long. Enterprise had 4 seasons, the same ammount of episodes. That should be more or less 600, unless I'm off by a couple of thousands.
Fenixp, you've captured a lot of what I loved about Star Trek (even the classic series). For all its awkward fumbling about, it had heart and it was trying to say something worth saying. It's one of the few shows that sincerely believes that humans can get better at being human. I'll take that any day over the reboot's cynical revenge plot and slick-but-soulless execution.
I liked the episode where they got trapped in the holodeck.
I didn't hate the film reboot when considered on it's own, but it just felt unnecessary. That story, with that crew, has been told. There are so many other interesting stories that could be told in the Star Trek setting, that I would have preferred something new.

If the mood ever strikes you, I'd give the original series another shot. It still stands as my favorite. Then again, it just may not be your thing.

One of these days I'm going to give Babylon 5 another go. The series never really clicked with me at the time, but with the following it has, there has to be something to it.
Post edited April 25, 2013 by dae6
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spindown: I liked the episode where they got trapped in the holodeck.
Or when the transporter malfunctioned.
Great post, +1.

I've never seen Deep Space Nine (or Babylon 5), but I agree with what you've said of what I have seen.

Voyager got a lot of hate but I enjoyed it.
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dae6: One of these days I'm going to give Babylon 5 another go. The series never really clicked with me at the time, but with the following it has, there has to be something to it.
How far did you make it last time? Season 1 is... not good. It has a few good episodes, but mostly it's just something you have to plod through so you have the backstory for later seasons. It starts getting good about 4-5 episodes into season 2.