romulus16: The point is you still have to use Game For Windows Live to create said account to be able to play properly so you still have to go through the shitty interface which is why I mentioned it because you said you avoid it by playing single player but in this case you cant...

Alexrd: That's why I find GfWL a bit more torelable (and therefore better) than Steam. You don't have to be online to install and play the game you bought.

Fred_DM: get real. you think people complain about GfWL for no reason? just because you've been lucky so far doesn't mean it works flawlessly for everybody. i had been using GfWL for a few years without problems when all of a sudden i got all kinds of issues with the client. i found threads about that particular problem all over the place. 'solutions' inlcuded spending an hour in the registry deleting individual entries. still wouldn't work. re-install impossible. .NET framework corrupted. re-install impossible.

i never got GfWL to work again until i formatted and re-installed Windows.

bottom line: GfWL works fine as long as it works (d'oh), but it can get fucked up good. i never had a problem like that with Steam in over 7 years...

Fred_DM: yeah, but it doesn't have to be an ONLINE profile. it can be an OFFLINE profile as well. haven't like 25 different people pointed that out to you already?!?

romulus16: Sorry but http://i.cubeupload.com/1hgS0l.png

orcishgamer: Local profile, no online required, so you're actually still wrong, 'nuff said.

Local profiles are hardly unique to GfWL, they've been used for years to decide which local player's progress to use (since most Windows users on the same machine use the same user account).

romulus16: Quote where I said you have to be online then ill will be wrong... Until then enjoy your screen shot (And maybe try checking before speaking agaisnt some one else... )

romulus16: Try playing Gears of War then... Wont let you save your singleplayer/campaign game without connecting to GFWL...

orcishgamer: Look man, if you want to insist you're right when you're wrong (especially in every damned sense that matters), knock yourself out. Everyone sane knows using a local/offline profile does not constitute being beholden to GfWL and never fucking has since the days of Overlord (or maybe before, I can't think of a game I owned before that that had it). It may have changed now, but it was exactly as I fucking said, you don't have to be online to save your game in Gears of War PC. My copy of the indie game Ballistic has you create an offline "profile" too, OH NOES THE INVASION OF MY PC!!!!

romulus16: And I stated that you have to connect to the Games for Windows live (App?) within the game to be able to save your game in campaign which is true since you have to open it's interface and make a offline/online account so the previously shitty interface mentioned before has to be used...

orcishgamer: And since you insist on a quote, from the pig's mouth, of you being wrong, here ya go.

The word "connecting" is the giveaway, fyi.

SimonG: You can do all this being offline. A friend of mine played Fallout 3 completely offline. GfWL will be installed on your system and when it can't connect online it will only be usable with an offline profile.

You never have to go online with a GfWL retail game.

romulus16: "you have to open it's interface and make a offline/online account" um.... I know and I never said you have to be online to do it either...

"And I stated that you have to connect to the Games for Windows live (App?) within the game to be able to save your game in campaign which is true since you have to open it's interface and make a offline/online account so the previously shitty interface mentioned before has to be used... "

SimonG: The word connect is generally associated with establishing an online connection. I don't connect to Steam when I start a Steam game, I don't connect to DosBox for a Dosbox game etc.

And if you know that you can use GfWL offline, I fail to see your problem with it. You excactly see the interface once during startup. From there on it serves no funtionality in offline mode (which is illustrated by that quite a few GfWL games can be run without GfWL in the first place).

SimonG: The word connect is generally associated with establishing an online connection. I don't connect to Steam when I start a Steam game, I don't connect to DosBox for a Dosbox game etc.

And if you know that you can use GfWL offline, I fail to see your problem with it. You excactly see the interface once during startup. From there on it serves no funtionality in offline mode (which is illustrated by that quite a few GfWL games can be run without GfWL in the first place).

orcishgamer: He's just being obtuse and trying to split hairs, claiming he didn't actually mean what he did actually mean (and said) in order to win the argument. Don't worry about it, he's just stewing about the whole thing.