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yyahoo: And to top it all off, in order to play any DVD or Blu-ray on the PS4, you have to go online and activate the feature or call Sony and ask them to send you an activation disc in the mail.
This one seems understandable, it's probably the same reason that the Wii doesn't play DVDs and the original Xbox required you to buy a remote control addon to play DVDs: Licencing.
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Darvond: A the PNG of music, you might say
It's called FLAC. There are other lossless codecs but I can't remember their names. Assuming you meant to type OGG, I think it's a bit unfair to compare that to GIF. I thought OGG was superior to MP3.
Post edited October 30, 2013 by SirPrimalform
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Darvond: A the PNG of music, you might say
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SirPrimalform: It's called FLAC. There are other lossless codecs but I can't remember their names. Assuming you meant to type OGG, I think it's a bit unfair to compare that to GIF. I thought OGG was superior to MP3.
I was going to namedrop FLAC, but I wanted someone else to get it.

And don't tell the audiophiles, they'll complain about the variable bitrate.
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StingingVelvet: Couldn't care less about any of that. Not even a little bit.
Me neither, but then I wasn't really looking forward to buying a next-gen console. Albeit... never say never.

Did you just buy a PS3? In a way that makes sense (wide collection of older games, also ones not on PC), but then I was a bit surprised if you did, as I thought you were pondering whether to upgrade your PC hardware to play future next-gen games, or go with a consoles. So in that sense I thought you'd rather buy e.g. a PS4 or XBone, than a PS3. Unless you are now going to buy both, then.
Post edited October 31, 2013 by timppu
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timppu: Did you just buy a PS3? In a way that makes sense (wide collection of older games, also ones not on PC), but then I was a bit surprised if you did, as I thought you were pondering whether to upgrade your PC hardware to play future next-gen games, or go with a consoles. So in that sense I thought you'd rather buy e.g. a PS4 or XBone, than a PS3. Unless you are now going to buy both, then.
Buying all three. Xbox is in the mail, have a PS4 pre-ordered on Amazon.
Probably the first time in my life I've actually read a whole FAQ. I'll TLDR it for you.

The Good
* 500 GB HD as default with the launch model. Only a 5200 RPM but whatever. Plenty of space. Can be upgraded easily, now with official upgrade guidelines from Sony (we never got that on the PS3).
* Game patches download automatically in background for everyone, not tied to PS+. PS+ users also get download capability in system standby mode, which is whatever.
* PS+ comes with 1GB of online storage for save files. Was hoping for more, but it'll probably get increased anyway by the time I reach 1GB worth of save files I need to store.
* Comes with a basic headset in box. The PS3 one was extra (and utter crap).
* Streamable games - supported titles will be playable during installation / download
* Livestream feature
* Greatly expanded features concerning friends, messages, and most importantly, game invites. Should make it easier to connect and communicate during play. This was honestly pretty atrocious on the PS3.

The Neutral
* The Dualshock 4 controller does not have increased battery life compared to Dualshock 3. I always though the battery life on the Dualshock controllers were a tad too low for my tastes - I like playing a game for 10 hours straight, three days in a row sometimes without interruption.
* PS+ membership now required for online functionality. Due to the free games shower that comes with PS+ though, this one goes into neutral rather than ugly. Already a PS+ member anyway.
* Launch of new Video Unlimited service. TBD whether it is shit.
* PS3 -> PS Vita remote play sounds like it requires going "outside" your local Wi-Fi from the description, which would probably make it play like shit in most cases. TBD.

The Ugly
* Video upload feature seems to be restricted to fucking FACEBOOK (serious WTF here, has 5x the weight of any good or neutral point).
* Only way to play background music is to subscribe to Sony's own (shitty) Music Unlimited service - does not play CDs or even MP3s.
* Media server functionality not supported. It really should be.
* Trophy sync is STILL not instant, albeit automatic whereas on PS3 it is basically manual (automatic only as PS+ user while in standby mode). Seriously, X360 got this right 7 years ago, Sony can't?
* Enourmously weak launch title lineup. The EU lineup consists of 19 titles so far. The US lineup seems to only have 17. Of those, 5 are smaller Indie titles, and only ONE of those indie titles does not already exist on the PS3. Of the larger games, only KZ: Shadow Fall and Knack are actual PS4 titles. The rest are just PS3 games released on PS4, such as Fifa 14, AC IV, CoD: Ghosts. And Angry Birds Star Wars, really?
Post edited October 31, 2013 by stonebro
Why on Earth would anyone buy a next-gen console anyway, everything is going to be multi-platform and anything that's not is guaranteed to be crap. It might of been understandable to buy a cheap second-hand PS3 for the 3 or 4 half-decent games it has, and the PSX emulated stuff from the PSN (bonus points for the bluray player), but a PS4, come on now
Not buying one (bought 2 PS3's quite cheap last month), but the BR thing seems like they tried to shoot themselves in the foot and managed to shoot themselves in the head lol :)
Post edited October 31, 2013 by F1ach
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Darvond: Admittedly, that isn't all that bad, and could actually be fixed.

Not that you should really care about the loss of such features, seeing as just about anything can play MP3, and to be honest, its about time we started looking for a newer format, the PNG of music, you might say, if OOG is gif.
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yyahoo: Yeah, well, I think the issue is that you don't forget to include simple features such as those. You intentionally exclude them.

Honestly, I'm maybe most bothered by the DVD/Blu-ray activation. What is the purpose of that? The first thing that comes to my mind is some sort of tracking of what movies you're playing on your PS4. I know Sony was the one carrying the biggest torch for that Cinevia DRM. Apparently if you play a copied Cinevia movie on a PS3 then Sony will shut down your console. What do they have in mind for the PS4 if they require you to register your console just to play a DVD or Blu-ray?
I read somewhere that it maybe has to do with licencing video-codecs so that instead of having to pay for something your customer may never use they instead pay when people download and unlock the feature or something.
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niniendowarrior: The Wii U isn't really a media console. And the PS4 continues to do nothing for me. I'm in no rush for any of these consoles.
I'm not either. I lost all interest after I found out that PS+ is required for online gaming. I'm surprised most people don't seem to care about it because free online gaming is important to me.
Post edited October 31, 2013 by Messi_is_Messiah
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stonebro: I'll TLDR it for you.
Thanks for the shortened version. To be honest, most of the stuff like media playback and video posting don't bother me. I only use my PS3 for games and Blu-ray so the extra "features" of the new system don't appeal to me. The unimproved battery life of the controller does highly annoy me, though.

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Crosmando: ... It might of been understandable to buy a cheap second-hand PS3 for the 3 or 4 half-decent games it has, and the PSX emulated stuff from the PSN (bonus points for the bluray player)...
That's definitely a subjective statement of quality of available games. Now here is my subjective statement: the amount of good (if not great) exclusive games on the platform more than justify my purchase of a new PS3. Granted, it was a slim but still worth the full price of admission.
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yyahoo: Honestly, I'm maybe most bothered by the DVD/Blu-ray activation. What is the purpose of that?
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jumbalia: I read somewhere that it maybe has to do with licencing video-codecs so that instead of having to pay for something your customer may never use they instead pay when people download and unlock the feature or something.
Well, on PS3 you likewise had a one-time online activation if you wanted to play WMV or WMA files (most of my music at the time) as well. It took about 2 seconds. No big deal to me. If I recall you had to do the same even for Sony's own crap ATRAC format.
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rodrolliv: I'd be more worried about the lack of backwards compatibility and the launch day line up of games. But I'm not getting a PS4 (at least) until the first slim model is announced.
At least for US residents there will be a backward compatibility mode: here in Italy, where crappy internet connections are the standard (and you pay a LOT for them, like 20€/per month), if they will implement Gaikai, I bet that it will be completely useless.

First time I heard about PS4, I really wanted it. But now....I will wait for a HUGE price drop.
Simply, for now, there are NO games I want to play at all.
I will play for sure Kingdom Hearts 3, and this is, at the moment, the unique PS4 game I'm looking for.
There is Metal Gear Solid 5, of course, but if it runs properly on PS3 (and watching the war scenario in Beyond Two Souls I think this is possible) I will take it for my current console.

Also, no backword compatibility for PS1 titles is a shame.I mean, you can implement it with zero resources if you want, it's not like the PS2 and PS3 games.
Post edited October 31, 2013 by Punished_Snake
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Punished_Snake: Also, no backward compatibility for PS1 titles is a shame.I mean, you can implement it with zero resources if you want, it's not like the PS2 and PS3 games.
I'm no computer engineer, but I feel that as laymen, we'd be able to understand the issues that prevent the PS1 from being emulated at the flick of a switch, including a massive architecture difference.
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Darvond: I'm no computer engineer, but I feel that as laymen, we'd be able to understand the issues that prevent the PS1 from being emulated at the flick of a switch, including a massive architecture difference.
I believe the PS3 can play PS1 games, I see no reason the PS4 can't. Even if it's an emulator rather than being a PS1 built into the machine.
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Darvond: I'm no computer engineer, but I feel that as laymen, we'd be able to understand the issues that prevent the PS1 from being emulated at the flick of a switch, including a massive architecture difference.
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doccarnby: I believe the PS3 can play PS1 games, I see no reason the PS4 can't. Even if it's an emulator rather than being a PS1 built into the machine.
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