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Pretty deadly little thing.

Captain, I have some new information regarding "The Aristocrats". No, they're still laying low after their last heist, so low that we haven't seen Don or Freddie since the meeting with "The Boss". Someone might've hid them underground but we won't know for sure just now. Anyway, there's a new girl that was seen with Rick Fermione. She from outta town, don know exactly where. Seems a member of the borguise. It's bourgeoisie? Don't know sir, some fancy stuff I don't get--pearls, caviars, and champagnes, sir. Yes, one of my boys is following her. Yes, I know this is very delicate matter. Oh, the mayor... no, of course, no, I mean I'll talk to... Yes sir. No one seen. The report, yes. The last thing, sir--and this is a little bit unexpected--it looks like "The Aristocrats" are planning to move to a new district, any moment now. Can't tell for sure, but my bet is Connecticut Ave. We'll see. Will do, sir. Goodbye.

Omerta: City of Gangsters, an organized crime simulation you have been playing for the last couple of weeks just got bigger with The Con Artist DLC. There's a new henchman to recruit, new weapon, and a new district up for grabs. Experience "the greatest con of all time" in this action-packed expansion for only $4.99 on GOG.com.

Requires the base game Omerta: City of Gangsters on GOG in order to play.
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P1na: This is freaking GOG, I think people here can hold out a week or 2 until (just maybe) that new space sim which was confirmed to get DLCs came up with something good. I agree with Adzeth in that GOG could have tried to get some awesome DLC that was worthwile for a better first impression. But hey, what do I know?

BTW, I bought Omerta myself. I preordered it in fact, I thought a new release DRM on GOG deserved my support. It turned out I didn't like the game, and so I won't buy the DLC. I might have it was gameplay-changing, addressing some shortcomings maybe, but not this.
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JMich: Hey, I haven't bought Omerta, I don't particularly care about Omerta. However, here is what's happening.

1) GOG can wait for a few weeks/days to get a better DLC, and have people asking "Why is X released on other distributors and not on GOG? Why are you sitting on it for a few weeks/months instead of matching release date with the other stores?".
2) GOG can release it the same date as the other distributors, and get hit with a "You're shitting me. This is what you are releasing?".
3) GOG can decline releasing it altogether, thus selling an inferior product.

Yes, Strike Suit Zero has already announced DLCs. Would you like GOG to release them on the same day they are released on the rest of the platforms, or release them 2 weeks later? Why do you treat this game (shitty as it may be) different than others?
GOG already stated that Strike Suit Zero would get several DLCs for free while GOG implemented DLC selling. Why is this game treated differently? Well, answering myself, probably the deals GOG has with those devs are different, as I said I have no idea how it works.

Adzeth's point was, if you're going to start selling DLCs and know (because we all knew) that you'll get some criticism for it, is it not worth it to choose some awesome DLC for a first icebreaker instead of a crappy? Because this DLC is basically that, just look at it. I don't talk about the quality of the game, but the quality of the DLC on it's own.
Unexpected.
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SLP2000: I hope that will bring more 1-3 yo games to GOG.
I share your hopes.
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nijuu: What the **** is it with some of you guys???????
No way is GOG going the way of Steam or anyone bullshite or crappy f***ing stores out there?.
They buy the DLC from the publisher. Do it DRM free. Pass it onto us the usual way.
What do you think GOG is? A charity?.
Most DLC is PAID DLC. Notice PAID. Being PAID we have to PAY to get it.. If THAT is a the policy a publisher for a given game does things, then if we want given game on GOG, we have to PAY for the DLC. Get it?. Seriously. Grow up some of you. If you dont like it BUY the farking game from Steam or some other shite place. FMD.

Its also NOT GOGS fault if shitty publishers or devs decide to charge for soundtracks. Squeeze out every last drop of $$$ from consumers. I for one (and probably a few others) would be happy if GOG offerred to sell NEW or recent soundtracks separately if that was the only way to get them (free for most classics having said that).

Sorry if i sound pissed but some of you act like kids and just gimme gimme gimme
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Roman5: And you act like someone who needs to get off his high horse and stop defending this nonsense

We do PAY for the DLC, we do it when we buy the damn game here on GOG, this is the way it worked with Witcher 2 here, why can't it work with other games? Oh yeah, that's because Unlike CDprojekt, many other publishers are complete dumbasses who act like kids and just gimme gimme gimme, for content that should be included for free with the main game (like this one)

Of course it's not GOG's fault that publishers are this but what I'm and other people are pissed about is that GOG ALLOWS this kind of behaviour on it's store, of course it's the fault of the publisher but it's also the fault of GOG for allowing this bullshit
You do realize that CDProject RED's decision to release free updates and DLCs was a marketing strategy? They're catering to the whole anti-big corporation crowd. You can't expect all companies do that, that's like expecting other companies to offer refunds and sales only because one particular does it, they do these things as business strategies, nothing else. Just wait for a sale.
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Roman5: Add the DLC to the game for free to maintain it's price and value to the customer

If a publisher refuses to do this, then make them wait for this until they are ready to do so
So Option 2. Sell an inferior product, because the publisher doesn't want to add the DLC to the base game.

We are not talking about an ideal world, where all games would be available as a GOTY/Complete edition on day 1 here, with no DRM etc. We are talking about this world, were publishers sell DLCs as seperate entities, and you can either sell them, or not sell them, you cannot add them for free to the base game without their consent.

Yes, CDP does add them for free, but it's one of the few that do so. For all others, I doubt there is a different option.
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Roman5: Add the DLC to the game for free to maintain it's price and value to the customer

If a publisher refuses to do this, then make them wait for this until they are ready to do so
yeah, because that's how you do business
Great, now i have got to wait for a complete edition...
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Now imagine if they get Crusader Kings 2 here along with it's 20+ DLCs. Now imagine that DLC sold like it is being sold now, separately.

Yeah... That's not so good. This DLC, like all DLC on GOG, should be included with the original game as an extra. This is what GOG was doing best. Selling COMPLETE games for a single price and DRM free.
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P1na: Adzeth's point was, if you're going to start selling DLCs and know (because we all knew) that you'll get some criticism for it, is it not worth it to choose some awesome DLC for a first icebreaker instead of a crappy? Because this DLC is basically that, just look at it. I don't talk about the quality of the game, but the quality of the DLC on it's own.
Bulgarian Colossus was released on the 18th of February. The thread asking when will it be available on GOG popped up on the same day. DLC was added to the base game 9 days later for GOG.
Also, check all the threads in the Legend of Grimrock forums about "When will we get the new patch?". People that buy games on GOG want to have access to the patches/extras the same day as people who buy the games elsewhere. While this DLC may not have been the best one, Omerta is the first new release from a (semi) big studio we had on GOG.

So yes, even if this DLC may be overpriced, even if this DLC may not be worth it, even if this DLC should be added in the base game (but Kalypso disagrees with this), I have no problem with this DLC being the first paid DLC released on GOG, because the alternative I see is either GOG selling inferior products (ironic, isn't it?), or GOG not selling newer games.
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Nalkoden: Now imagine if they get Crusader Kings 2 here along with it's 20+ DLCs. Now imagine that DLC sold like it is being sold now, separately.

Yeah... That's not so good. This DLC, like all DLC on GOG, should be included with the original game as an extra. This is what GOG was doing best. Selling COMPLETE games for a single price and DRM free.
Imagine if we got Crusader Kings 3 on GOG. Imagine having the base game, and no DLCs for it, while people who bought it elsewhere got the DLCs on the release day. Imaging having to wait 3 years to play the DLCs for CK3.
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DLC baraley a month after release? Yeah sure, this was totally not cut out from the main game or at least being planned before the game was even released. F' you!

I don't agree with people trashing GoG though, they just sell this stuff and they can't force developers/publishers to make exceptions. GoG could either have not released the DLC at all, essentially forcing anyone who wants the DLC to buy the main game again somewhere else or they could sell the DLC and let us vote with our wallets. Don't like this? Then just give the developers/publishers the middle finger, but you can't blame GoG for giving their customers a *choice*.

All that said I don't really have anythign against paid DLC in general if I feel I am given something proper in return (most DLC doesn't fit in this category though). It's like an expansion pack back in the days. The reason all games have had their expansions/DLC included so far is that by the time the game came to GoG they had already been released as complete editions, this is the first time a game gets DLC *after* it has been released on GoG.
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I see this as partial evidence that in many cases GOG is better off waiting a few years before bringing expensive new games here. The price will be lower and the game can be considered a complete edition (with all DLC included).
Don't care much about new games so no DLCs problem for me but I would say it is better to have DLC for a price than not to have it at all.

If a publisher chooses such releasing pattern (game + DLCs) I don't really see other option for GOG than to accept it. What should they do? Include DLC for free and pay for them with own money? Or sell 'bare' game - but who would buy it if on other DD you could get addons?
Post edited March 08, 2013 by tburger
Can't imagine they are selling many units of this here, so I guess they just wanted to offer it to the 5 people on gog who liked the game.
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Nalkoden: Now imagine if they get Crusader Kings 2 here along with it's 20+ DLCs. Now imagine that DLC sold like it is being sold now, separately.

Yeah... That's not so good. This DLC, like all DLC on GOG, should be included with the original game as an extra. This is what GOG was doing best. Selling COMPLETE games for a single price and DRM free.
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JMich: Imagine if we got Crusader Kings 3 on GOG. Imagine having the base game, and no DLCs for it, while people who bought it elsewhere got the DLCs on the release day. Imaging having to wait 3 years to play the DLCs for CK3.
But then it's the same system like STEAM, GamersGate or others. GOG was suppose to be better that that. There are games that give content patches (effectively DLC) to keep their game selling and to give it value. I understand that it's not how the "big boys" do business today but I don't have to like it. And I will complain about it.
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JMich: snip
To summarize my point:

First, DLCs have been around for years, and I find this particular one to be a poor choice for a first one to sell the concept to GOG users. Then again, I trust GOG staff probably did the best they could with what they had, but I do think it's a poor choice. Whatever.

Second, I'm not against DLCs here, as you say, it is good for GOG to keep up with competitors. If it comes up on the same day as everywhere else, even better. My concerns lie in if DLCs will have a check the way every game appears to be checked before release, considering DLCs will presumably keep increasing, and whether or not we'll eventually (3 years, 5 years, whenever) get a "gold" version of a game with DLCs so the DLCs will no longer be sold separately and users who didn't buy them will just get upgraded to this gold version for free.

I do feel sad about those people constantly asking for that latest stuff, I did think GOG users were above that but it appears I am mistaken. But as unexpected as it was for me, I don't think it impacts any of my points.
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HiPhish: DLC baraley a month after release? Yeah sure, this was totally not cut out from the main game or at least being planned before the game was even released. F' you!
You don't really need to plan or make it in advance if it only contains an afternoon's worth of work. :p