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Posted May 22, 2012
A Triumphant Return of Wonderful Storytelling

Dreamfall, the sequel to The Longest Journey, is a beautiful third-person adventure game for only $14.99 on GOG.com.

The Longest Journey, with its epic story and fantastically portrayed world and characters, was easily one of the best adventure games ever made. Dreamfall, a long-awaited sequel, never fails to deliver a similarly fantastic experience. Taking you a journey through another 13 chapters across the twinned worlds of Stark and Arcadia. However, Dreamfall breaks the expectations with brilliant visual style, breathtaking soundtrack, great voice acting, and challenging game mechanics that require you to think outside the box to complete difficult--but not frustrating--challenges and puzzles. The game offers much less 'action' than most of today's games, but satisfies with mature and intelligent dialogues, gripping story, and and characters who elicit authentic emotions to fascinate and engage any adventure connoisseur.

Dreamfall: The Longest Journey follows three adventurers: Zoë Castillo, a 20-year-old resident of Casablanca in 2219, April Ryan, the main protagonist in the original game (and now the Rebel leader), and Kian Alvane, an Azadi soldier and skilled swordsman in two parallel worlds: the technologically advanced Stark and magical Arcadia. An international conspiracy to introduce lucid dream-inducing technology that could be potentially used to brainwash and control the whole population of Stark needs to be stopped, and it falls upon Zoë, April, and Kian to wright the world’s wrongs.

Dreamfall is a multi-threaded, believable, and engaging adventure with amazing presentation and unique attention to details, and is available now on GOG.com for only $14.99 with wallpapers, avatars, the soundtrack, and 30 gorgeous pieces of digital art.
Posted May 24, 2012
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spinefarm: And what is constructive in Pheace posts? Bla bla this games isn't cheap enough...bla bla this game is old why it is 20$... Bla bla why not make 75% sales...
"Your offer is not competitive, sir, because that shop over there belonging to your competition sells the exact same thing considerably cheaper."

How is that not constructive?
Posted May 24, 2012
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spinefarm: And what is constructive in Pheace posts? Bla bla this games isn't cheap enough...bla bla this game is old why it is 20$... Bla bla why not make 75% sales...
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bazilisek: "Your offer is not competitive, sir, because that shop over there belonging to your competition sells the exact same thing considerably cheaper."

How is that not constructive?
Show the games that are cheaper on Steam(not on sale) besides Assassin's Creed 1? Consider that AC1 is equal priced for US customers ;)
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Posted May 24, 2012
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mondo84: He hijacks many threads with the same arguments, trying to convince people that they are not getting a good deal on GOG. He's so insecure that he needs everyone to shop the exact same way he does.
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bazilisek: Nice ad hominem you have there, Mr Smiling Politely.

I believe that in the long run, pointing out the flaws in GOG's product offer, if done constructively and using at least partially objective arguments, will benefit everyone. Sweeping all concerns under the table with a "but GOG's DRM-free, you know" is not an attitude that would help your cause as a customer, nor GOG's cause as a seller.
Yeah, they've been using Ad Hominem's for a while now which is why I can't be bothered anymore. If they are so 'insecure' that they can't debate what's actually being said but need to attack the person saying it instead, it's really not worth the effort. I'll continue debating it without them ^^
Posted May 24, 2012
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mondo84: He hijacks many threads with the same arguments, trying to convince people that they are not getting a good deal on GOG. He's so insecure that he needs everyone to shop the exact same way he does.
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bazilisek: Nice ad hominem you have there, Mr Smiling Politely.
? Is that not true?

I believe that in the long run, pointing out the flaws in GOG's product offer, if done constructively and using at least partially objective arguments, will benefit everyone. Sweeping all concerns under the table with a "but GOG's DRM-free, you know" is not an attitude that would help your cause as a customer, nor GOG's cause as a seller.
Funny, what you say are flaws seem that way to you because you might be under the impression that GOG wants to be the absolute cheapest option.

That is not true.

I made a post on a previous page that because GOG is not trying to be as cheap as possible, most of the criticisms and what you call "flaws" become completely irrelevant.

Should people start invading Steam boards and saying it's a flaw Steam doesn't have DRM-free options for every game they sell? No. So why raise all the fuss on GOG?

I don't get the impression that the outspoken critics on here care about GOG. They care about getting cheap games.

Nobody's sweeping the concerns under the table like you say. We simply don't get bent out of shape because GOG might be $1.00 extra for a game. The only attitude that needs adjustment is that attitude people have that everything must be the same as Steam's pricing, and if it isn't then something's wrong.
Posted May 24, 2012
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mondo84: I don't get the impression that the outspoken critics on here care about GOG. They care about getting cheap games.
Which is where you are very wrong.
Posted May 24, 2012
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bazilisek: Nice ad hominem you have there, Mr Smiling Politely.

I believe that in the long run, pointing out the flaws in GOG's product offer, if done constructively and using at least partially objective arguments, will benefit everyone. Sweeping all concerns under the table with a "but GOG's DRM-free, you know" is not an attitude that would help your cause as a customer, nor GOG's cause as a seller.
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Pheace: Yeah, they've been using Ad Hominem's for a while now which is why I can't be bothered anymore. If they are so 'insecure' that they can't debate what's actually being said but need to attack the person saying it instead, it's really not worth the effort. I'll continue debating it without them ^^
LOL nice trying to play the victim. You start arguments with everyone, and when they don't agree with your criticism of GOG you continue to pester them and post in multiple threads.

Nobody's picking on you, so don't try to lead the conversation in that direction. You bring this up constantly, so you are asking for people to respond. Unfortunately many posters fall for the traps over and over. You've made your point over and over, and despite people giving you many reasons why you are wrong and you can't apply Steam's policies to GOG, you continue to repeat your posts. So, you should expect people to tell you that you are being repetitive and annoying. Learn to agree to disagree with others and move on.

Your behavior is disturbing because you say the same things over and over, and you don't change anybody's mind, yet you continue to bait people and try to start arguments in numerous threads.

So I'll ask again, what is your goal? Do you want GOG to change their prices? Do you want GOG to stop offering DRM-free games? Is it something else?

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mondo84: I don't get the impression that the outspoken critics on here care about GOG. They care about getting cheap games.
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bazilisek: Which is where you are very wrong.
Yet you provide no alternative reason (and ignored the rest of my post). You can say I'm "very wrong", but most people on these forums would agree that in most release threads it's the same people complaining about prices not being as cheap as Steam, complaining that DRM-free isn't worth it, complaining that downloadable extras aren't worth it, etc.
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Posted May 24, 2012
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mondo84: Yet you provide no alternative reason. You can say I'm "very wrong", but most people on these forums would agree that in most release threads it's the same people complaining about prices not being as cheap as Steam, complaining that DRM-free isn't worth it, complaining that downloadable extras aren't worth it, etc.
Actually they are complaining that they can buy the games cheaper on Retail :D
Posted May 24, 2012
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mondo84: Yet you provide no alternative reason (and ignored the rest of my post). You can say I'm "very wrong", but most people on these forums would agree that in most release threads it's the same people complaining about prices not being as cheap as Steam, complaining that DRM-free isn't worth it, complaining that downloadable extras aren't worth it, etc.
My GOG shelf currently has something in the neighbourhood of a hundred games, and I'm willing to bet most of those were actually bought outside any promos. I care about GOG very much. I like the site and I admire the business model they have invented. But I don't want them to rest on their laurels, that's all there is to it. And I know a significant part of GOG's resident critics feel the same way.
Posted May 24, 2012
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cp96alumni: Great game. Starts slow but gets good. Everyone needs to give it a try.
Couldn't agree more! The story is first rate.
Posted May 24, 2012
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mondo84: Yet you provide no alternative reason (and ignored the rest of my post). You can say I'm "very wrong", but most people on these forums would agree that in most release threads it's the same people complaining about prices not being as cheap as Steam, complaining that DRM-free isn't worth it, complaining that downloadable extras aren't worth it, etc.
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bazilisek: My GOG shelf currently has something in the neighbourhood of a hundred games, and I'm willing to bet most of those were actually bought outside any promos. I care about GOG very much. I like the site and I admire the business model they have invented. But I don't want them to rest on their laurels, that's all there is to it. And I know a significant part of GOG's resident critics feel the same way.
Agreed, but then some of the critics, like Pheace, have been argued with reasonably and his points disproven, but he insists in being right only by virtue of it being a valid complaint instead of taking the care to balance the arguments after so much has been said. GOG is having both an amazing and troubling time for several reasons, and the complaints and negative observations would be out of place if GOG was not having such success.

My point is, I'd rather have a lot of complaints AND grateful posts than only sheer praise, and I hope the GOG staff see it the same way - all in all, customers caring for what they have built. But some of the people complaining are not doing so anymore within any reasonable frame of argumentation, like the ones saying they can get the games cheaper on physical retailers or elsewhere. GOG's point was never to be the cheapest seller of games on earth, but these people part from the premise that it should be; GOG's point was to be fair to customers and treat them like people while taking the games we grew up with seriously, and so far, it has mostly stayed true to that. The only really problematic event I've seen here is the Rollercoaster Tycoon 3 release: I think GOG's approach was lazy in how it was 'left no other choice' by Ubisoft when they could have refused a release to state that they wouldn't be pushed around by publishers like the rest of the industry. But that's another story anyway.

The critics and the defenders have an equal place here, but when ones or the others stop the dialogue and start talking at the others, then the whole thing becomes pointless.
Posted May 24, 2012
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tapeworm00: Agreed, but then some of the critics, like Pheace, have been argued with reasonably and his points disproven, but he insists in being right only by virtue of it being a valid complaint instead of taking the care to balance the arguments after so much has been said.
Really now. Feel free to bring some of those up and highlight them.
Posted May 27, 2012
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Zeewolf: It's a good game, with some really memorable sequences.

However, before you buy be aware that it ends with a massive cliffhanger and there's no indication that Funcom will ever finish the story. So prepare to be really annoyed when the credits pop up.
LOL, remember, "We're definitely doing episodic content," to finish it?

I'm assuming the release date is the same as Half-Life 2: Episode 3 and SiN: Episode 2. Too bad, really was a great game otherwise.
Post edited May 27, 2012 by cioran
Posted May 30, 2012
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Zeewolf: It's a good game, with some really memorable sequences.

However, before you buy be aware that it ends with a massive cliffhanger and there's no indication that Funcom will ever finish the story. So prepare to be really annoyed when the credits pop up.
Ragnar Tørnquist has indeed recently said that The Longest Journey is getting it's third chapter. You can expect an announcement probably not long after The Secret World, his current project, comes out. (Highly recommended if you liked TLJ. It's an MMO, but the same fantastic storytelling is there)
Posted May 30, 2012
What the hell is wrong with some of you? You're annoyed that it's not $5 cheaper. That's not much money to be annoyed about, really, is it?

If you are honestly irked enough (and not just making trouble for its own sake) to enter pages-long pricing debates about this game, then maybe you would be better off channelling this energy into saving $5 in some other area of your life. Try cooking dinner tonight with the leftovers in your fridge. There, $5 saved, problem solved.

As for the game, I wouldn't like to put a price on it as I value it too much. It would be like putting a price on my girlfriend, if I had one. This game starts off slow but builds and builds until your mind is awash with themes both grand and small, and awash with love for the characters. I'm not going to make concessions about blundering gameplay elements. I don't care about them. The narrative experience of this game makes these flaws seem less than minuscule.

Regarding the ending - there are threads left hanging, but important ones are tied up, but often in ways that are not spelled out - it's more thematic story telling rather than matter-of-fact, spelling-it-out, this-is-what-happened-x-y-z story telling. The characters go on inner and outer journeys, and in many cases it's left to the player to infer meaning from situations - which is a bold, mature step by the developers which obviously put many off.

But, why cater to these people? They have enough games. Dreamfall is something special, for those who enjoy imagination and mystery.

To sum up: It is cheapening to put a price on this game.
Posted May 30, 2012
Too bad it tooked so long. I bought it on steam a few months ago. I bought the first longest journey here on gog.
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