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keeveek: IT's been over a year and nothing happened.

What's wrong GOG? Every EA employee asked about that says "What? Wer'e missing expanions for GOG games?" or "We clarified things with our lawyers - EA new games and expanions are coming to GOG anytime!"

And you GOG.com still SAY NOTHING?

I am not impressed, Gog, really not impressed.
http://www.gog.com/en/forum/general/paul_barnett_confirms_classic_eaorigin_expansions_coming_to_gog_on_the_bombcast/page1

This made me so happy, then so sad when TET did his thing. :-P
I know this topic. And this is why i start raging. It seems that EVERYONE except GOG.com wants EA expansinons here. (and thinks there's no legal problem with including those, even EA thinks that)

There is some serious communication problem between EA and GOG.com , but I can't understand why it can't be resolved in over a year?
Post edited July 02, 2012 by keeveek
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keeveek: I know this topic. And this is why i start raging. It seems that EVERYONE except GOG.com wants EA expansinons here. (and thinks there's no legal problem with including those, even EA thinks that)
I think EA employees are either lying or ignorant, or there are some technnical issues with the expansions.

I doubt GOG is holding them back, because they'd sell like muffins fresh out of the oven.
Post edited July 02, 2012 by WBGhiro
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keeveek: I know this topic. And this is why i start raging. It seems that EVERYONE except GOG.com wants EA expansinons here. (and thinks there's no legal problem with including those, even EA thinks that)
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WBGhiro: I think EA employees are either lying or ignorant, or there are some technnical issues with the expansions.

I doubt GOG is holding them back, because they'd sell like muffins fresh out of the oven.
Because it's EA?

I know one thing for sure : EA is really informative and helpful about that matter, GOG stays silent. (mostly)

I know it's not a popular thing, but I believe EA on that case, that it's GOG who fucked up.
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keeveek: There is some serious communication problem between EA and GOG.com , but I can't understand why it can't be resolved in over a year?
Since you're already in Poland, I think GOG should hire you as their official "EA Expansion Commissioner". Then I'm sure we'd have all the missing expansions in no time.

I also wish GOG would complete their releases with the expansion packs, but I have hard time believing it is because GOG is reluctant to include them. After all, I've told them several times already that they'd have more money from me if they did that, in the form of new purchases.
But it is GOG who fucked up the initial agreement with EA, it's rather not a doubt, I thought ;-)
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keeveek: I know one thing for sure : EA is really informative and helpful about that matter
Or then like in so many cases, their right hand doesn't know, nor even care, what the left hand is doing. The PR person might be saying whatever he/she feels is what people want to hear.
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keeveek: I know one thing for sure : EA is really informative and helpful about that matter
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timppu: Or then like in so many cases, their right hand doesn't know, nor even care, what the left hand is doing. The PR person might be saying whatever he/she feels is what people want to hear.
It can also be a case, sure. In such big corpos. like EA, definitely.
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keeveek: There is some serious communication problem between EA and GOG.com , but I can't understand why it can't be resolved in over a year?
I would guess (totally horse ass wide guess, so be warned) it is also because EA (I assume) has a legal department and GOG not (I assume).

If EA wants a legal opinion, they go "Hey Dave, can those GOG guys release the expansion?" "Sure, why not?".

If GOG wants a legal opinion they need to pay big bucks to a truth finder. (Or lawyer, as they are more commonly known). And as GOG is unlikely to make a lot more money on the expansions, they are probably not keen in making those expanses.
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keeveek: I know it's not a popular thing, but I believe EA on that case, that it's GOG who fucked up.
The problem I have with that assumption is that it's just that - an assumption. We don't have any evidence that says that GOG "made a mistake", just like how we don't have any evidence that EA is somehow perpetuating some kind of conspiratorial price gouging. Unless you or anyone else actually has insider information, then it's all just hearsay. The problems causing the delays could be anything from last-minute legal concerns to unexpected technical/compatibility issues. They've already said here before that getting games isn't just a matter of throwing up a page and putting an installer .EXE on their servers.

Right now, it's best to just relax until we get any sort of hard information out of GOG.
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SimonG: If GOG wants a legal opinion they need to pay big bucks to a truth finder. (Or lawyer, as they are more commonly known). And as GOG is unlikely to make a lot more money on the expansions, they are probably not keen in making those expanses.
It might be a case. But seeing how many people demand expansions, how many of them are saying "I will wait with my purchase for the time they release expansion pack" they should really take a chance...

It would expand sales potential for EA games, for sure. "Previously released game NOW with expanions! Buy it!" will drag some new people here, I think.
Post edited July 02, 2012 by keeveek
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keeveek: It might be a case. But seeing how many people demand expansions, how many of them are saying "I will wait with my purchase for the time they release expansion pack" they should really take a chance...

It would expand sales potential for EA games, for sure. "Previously released game NOW with expanions! Buy it!" will drag some new people here, I think.
It's okay to take a chance if you're running a community modding site, but if you're running a business where legal problems could be a serious threat, or worse yet, widespread complaints about compatibility or stability, taking those sorts of risks wouldn't be wise.
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keeveek: I know it's not a popular thing, but I believe EA on that case, that it's GOG who fucked up.
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rampancy: The problem I have with that assumption is that it's just that - an assumption. We don't have any evidence that says that GOG "made a mistake", just like how we don't have any evidence that EA is somehow perpetuating some kind of conspiratorial price gouging. Unless you or anyone else actually has insider information, then it's all just hearsay. The problems causing the delays could be anything from last-minute legal concerns to unexpected technical/compatibility issues. They've already said here before that getting games isn't just a matter of throwing up a page and putting an installer .EXE on their servers.

Right now, it's best to just relax until we get any sort of hard information out of GOG.
Of course. Everything we know know is that EA said plenty of times "we wanted to sell our games with expanions from the beginning" and "our lawyers give our green light to include expanions" and GOG says something like "our office never heard anything about that" (office, not lawyers...) , I really can assume that GOG did a mistake, not EA.
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rampancy: It's okay to take a chance if you're running a community modding site, but if you're running a business where legal problems could be a serious threat, or worse yet, widespread complaints about compatibility or stability, taking those sorts of risks wouldn't be wise.
Everything you do in business is a risk. EA expansions are less risky than indie games on GOG, i think.
Post edited July 02, 2012 by keeveek
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keeveek: Of course. Everything we know know is that EA said plenty of times "we wanted to sell our games with expanions from the beginning" and "our lawyers give our green light to include expanions" and GOG says something like "our office never heard anything about that" (office, not lawyers...) , I really can assume that GOG did a mistake, not EA.
But those were from people who, IIRC, had little directly to do with GOG's dealings with EA, and if they were, would they start making public statements about a private business contract between their employer and a business partner?

Look, I think this isn't a good situation either, and GOG is suffering from a lack of transparency about this, and I hate it as much as you do - I just don't think it's a good idea to start pointing fingers until we have more to go on than just circumstantial evidence.
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keeveek: Everything you do in business is a risk. EA expansions are less risky than indie games on GOG, i think.
I meant risk in terms of "Oh, Rights Holder XYZ that we didn't properly account for is now suing us for X-percentage of the profits we're getting from this IP...", or "Oh, oh, we really should have tested the game with the expansions more because Expansion X breaks game Y or on x86-64 bit Vista/Seven." Granted, I think the former would be more likely than the latter.
Post edited July 02, 2012 by rampancy
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rampancy: But those were from people who, IIRC, had little directly to do with GOG's dealings with EA, and if they were, would they start making public statements about a private business contract between their employer and a business partner?
The fact that EA is so open about this, is very telling. If they weren't they would STFU (or rather Dave would make them, you can be sure of that).

From how the expansions are released it is pretty clear that the there was a legal fsck up (very likely on GOGs part). I made somewhere in this thread or in another thread a more detailed wide ass guess how it went down, and from everything I'm hearing, it looks like it was this way or very similar.