Obviously not.

I'm not cool?
:(

Naw baby, you are frozen.

Put some sunglasses on your avatar and we'll make an exception.

I'm confused about your perception, besides this thread, where did i recently castigated the staff? Because i had a good ocasion to mow down mr Firek but i didn't. Now, if you're talking about those moments where someone complains/appreciates gog, yeah, i'll give my input of the situation but they don't show up on those. But you want me to say "good job gog"... Why? What did they fixed/improved that affects me? Because the only thing that comes into mind is the avatar glitch that wasn't switching (again, perfectly normal to happen, right?) that, ironically, now takes 24h to switch. I should be thankful?
You know where i was objective and constructive? In the emails where i went back and forth with the staff where i was foolish enough to believe in their empty promises and had a small glint of hope that finally something would change. But alas, as always, it reaches a point where they decided to stop answering... But hey, i'm the bad guy, right? And for the record, i never insulted Judas (who i even said that he should deserve the paycheck that the useless community manager was recieving) and most of the blues in this thread, i always pointed out that my targets are Ciris, Konrad and Firek, always mentioning the reasons behind that.

Now back to your perception of me, you don't see that Cyraxpt because, as you said, you don't check the right threads, i have way less "anti gog" posts than normal dicussions or even being helpful, now, what also justifies your idea of me is that i'm less active on this forum. Can you blame me? Look around, seriously, take a good look around and tell me that this is the same forum that it was two years ago. Do people still ask where are those good folks that use to post here? You call my attitude toxic while most of the discussions on this dump turns into hate speech? You want me to be positive? I've wasted all my positive energy helping this community, remember that it's not only what you see, there's a lot of stuff involved behind the scenes...

Your vision of the forum (or world) is too much black and white, you need to start seeing those grey lines, then, perhaps, you might understand how things work around here.

I can, i can show threads where what needs to be done was suggested or i could just copy/paste what i've sent to previous staff members... but should i?
Now comes the part where many of you can see me as a dick, i won't help anyone until i see that person is willing to do something, in Fables22 case, something that proves that shes ready to do something, as of now i just see a person that is unprepared for the challenges ahead (not blaming her, blaming the people that didn't properly informed her). You know that i could easily force changes around here, you know that i could do the dirty work but i won't and you know why... Same reason, i'm not going to bother myself (AGAIN) for people that think that waiting for something good to happen will eventually work.

There lies the problem, now days almost anything can be deemed offensive. I can give examples of what I'm talking about.
1) Take a look at post #342 by Regals I'm pretty sure he was being facetious or sarcastic but there are others in the forums that might be absolutely serious when making a post like that.
2) There are a group of hospitals here in the U.S. (I don't think they have any in other countrys but I could be wrong) that used to be called Shriners Hospital For Crippled Children. They've been around for decades with that name. But now, I can only surmise because of some "political correctness" crap, they've taken the word cripple out of the name. Now before anyone says that the word is offensive just know that I've walked with a cane my whole life and I don't find it offensive.

But back to the original discussion. At this point we don't know what fables22 is capable of doing or is even going to be allowed to do. I don't remember who compared the forums to a run-down apartment building earlier but I think they were right. At this point I'm wondering if it would take less effort to scrap the whole thing and start over. If a situation comes along where I can be helpful I'll be happy to help. But until then I'm going to sit on the siidelines.

deemed offensive, maybe, but it is about as dtgreene defined and as I gave some examples repetitive behaviour. Everyone can have a bad day or two :)
Now using regals as an example: He still ,across various threads, not only accused TinyE again of a serious crime, he went even on to say that me (and GOG-staff) would support this crime and hence do back up this crime. Besides his other posts calling every German a Nazi and even being proud of it. Just to name a few of his misdeeds

So first off, he fits every definition of a repetitive offensive person. Even IF ONLY one post might have been meant sarcastic, what about his others posts?
second: If others post stuff like this, it is contained in a specific threads, examples? rctvb32 and Kingbradley (hope I got the spelling right ;) ) . There I must say, so what?
Outside of specific threads they do behave, they do provide something back to the community. People are pissed off with those two because of their rather unusual viewpoint. Bradley CAN be reasoned with, rtcvb32 outside of his thread as well (although still waiting for his response in his thread, but I think we all already failed on this part ;) )
Are they extreme in their viewpoints, maybe! BUT do they spread it ALL over the place? definitely not (from what I have seen, unless being called out upon it).
Do WE have a problem with sidetracking/trolling threads: YES! (and that I think includes EVERY regular poster, including myself ;) )
I am the first one to say that PC is getting over the top: Best example holiday greetings, EVEN the Muslim groups DO NOT object to Merry Christmas. People DO celebrate if differently, yes. So what? Did you know that the Russian Orthodox church (I think all of the Orthodox ones) DO celebrate Xmas two weeks later? Again, so what?
Your example is a good example of HOW words to change meanings/intentions over the time. WHY? Because of how words have been misused by turning it into a slur or similar. As dtgreene really said nicely, it all depends on the context.
On top of it, not everyone in THIS forum is a native ENGLISH speaker, BUT even between UK and US English there are already enough possible traps: Lets have a faq-break, please? :P
I think he did mentioned that he would like to have our viewpoint for this as well, WHICH I am trying to gather here. And despite what others say/claim GOG always TRIED to listen to us. Why they never did what we asked for, WE don't know.
(1) BUT everyone who EVER worked in a bigger company knows that they do have a shitload off restrictions about WHAT and WHAT NOT you are allowed to communicate. BUT some people here on the forum do make out of this a PERSONAL vendetta! (examples needed? look into the thread I opened for thanking GOG for another freebie and running this place at all)
And what a lot of people do NOT understand this forum is one of the BEST around provided by ANY other company (related to GAMING).
You don't believe me? Just check on egosoft, Bohemia (only two examples) where just saying something bad about the company or their game might get the thread locked/deleted and the user banned.
On top of it, this forum is FREE, no advertising no whatsoever. Did the guys always complaining ever thought about this? I don't think so, how often do I see words being used, like: "It is OUR RIGHT" or similar.

BULLSHIT

GOG gave us the freedom. Did they break promises on certain things, YES. Unfortunate they did NOT communicate WHY (see above (1)). But as all of us do NOT pay for this part of the forum and as GOG is still a company which is mainly out there to make money ( ;) ) HOW can they be pissed off for ANOTHER FREEBIE?

"Sitting on the sidelines": Unfair comparison and playing devils advocate here >:) You do know that this CAN be part of ANY problem, like elections :P

I really would like to see a far bigger discussion about it. Here I must really ask fables22 why he does not participate with this one a bit more. (unless see (1) again)

But we can still try to keep posting suggestions/wishes for this, or?
Will some of us get disappointed, yes for sure,

And that means everyone! :P

And you know, fuck it, I will open a thread for it, let's see >-)

Openly admitting to botting / DDOS GOG...

RIGHT THERE IS ONE OF THE BIG PROBLEMS WITH THIS SHIT HOLE
So what gog has like 10 staff... they can still press charges.

Funny how the garbage that should be removed think they are going to petition to get me removed.
SMH

Unlike GOG I am not afraid of taking people to court.

They might be listening but they're doing a terrible job in communicating. In other business how does this work? You complain to the available staff and if it doesn't get resolved you request to talk with the people that can fix it.
You know what's the problem? They don't show up.

You might say that they're listening but they might be ignoring, we don't know if there's no communication or results. So it's ok to have a place where you're constantly harassed because you have the freedom of saying bad things about the company providing the forum... Uhm... Funny, if i do that here i'm labeled as an angry troll and downvoted. So, by that logic, if i go to a restaurant i can't complain about the waiter behavior, the silverware being dirty, the broken table, the gargage on the ground, etc. I mean, i just paid for the food, right? Sure, they gave you freedom AND tools to moderate (downvoting and report spam). They basically said "Well, this is the wild west, here's some guns and be free to form a posse. Good luck".

Cyraxpt....tststs...bad boy ;)
Didn't I say the same?
IF you read my posts, You saw me saying a few things about this, or? see later
Bad analogy and I think you know it. Is anything wrong on the SHOP side? ANY problem with refunds or similar? Yes there might be occasional hick ups with paypal or whatever. Wrong information being passed by devs, broken promises by the devs, but the shop itself? So what the PAYING part of GOG is concerned, do you have any dirt, broken whatever?
To stay with your analogy: It would be more fitting to compare it to a restaurant which provides like an extra room for smokers. They provided the rooms and some furniture and left the rest for the customers. THIS comparison I could live with it, but your analogy is wrong IMHO.

Did I not say a few times: I am not happy with it as well?
Did I not call out fables22 out on it? Yes I am also still waiting for an answer. But I think we can agree upon that we would be more pleased if GOG would be adopting OUR policies instead of forcing their Policies onto US, or?
Hence my comparison with other game-sides.
Yes we do have people being , how did you say it, " i'm labeled as an angry troll and downvoted" called names. Wrong, right, I don't know and I will not judge. BUT as you do reply in a meaningful way, I will judge on this part: WRONG, you are not a troll here. ;)
Fables indicated he is watching and reading, so IF GOG finally decided to do something about, shall we not look forward and give him a helping hand? (and keeping pressure onto him as well ;) )
Again as you indicated, "we don't know if there's no communication or results.. THIS is the biggest problem.
Fortunate enough two of our biggest problems already showed their true face in here, so no big need to single them out.
Are there still problems left? Oooooh Yes ;)
But as I assume, GOG is trying to find a middle ground here, in the past they made some big promises on which they had to retract or find other work-arounds (i.e. flat-price-offset by wallet-funds), was everyone please, for sure not. As every compromise is just this, a compromise.
IF GOG finally and REALLY decided to do something about this mess here, don't you think it would not be better to give them a helping hand instead of just bickering? I DO understand your anger ;)
But again, if they want to finish the wild west period (I really like this metaphor ;) ), shall we as the inhabitants not try to come up with rules from us for us, instead of a new Sheriff just making up his own rules on the fly?
If GOG is looking for this, would be good, or?
Again as you indicated: AGAIN missing communication from GOG, but this seems to be rather the norm (unfortunate) than the rule.
Now back to your/my points: (Feel free to add)
-harassing: what shall be the max number? Like the figures I suggested? (post 338)

I go first: using racially slurs, anything similar 2 times.
using other offensive things 5 times.

Unless this user did it before, so on a regular basis in every thread, first time.

Other threads, maximum one time. Thinking here of +13, so also for minors.

Grudges: Hence me asking for why! Nothing shall not happen with out those three WWW ;)
WHAT, WHEN and WHY.
So Grudges would by default disqualify any banning as it would not be a valid complained.
So if a person complaining can not answer WWW, easy solution, ignore this request.

PS: It is really funny that even the others participating here (Hello Zeogold, Hello HunchBluntley Hello everyone ;) ) did not give any real feedback. Everyone just complains......
And sorry HunchBluntley, have to use it against you as well :P
I hardly see any constructive feedback here ;)
(bit over the top this comment but for reason ;) )
So Cyraxpt you showed that their is a problem, what is your suggestion?
Yes one suggestion would be that we would restraint ourselves a little bit with what we are typing, but that would be too easy and obvious :P

IF this is just another duck (looks like a duck, walks like a duck....) at LEAST this time nobody can say anything like your know what ;)
Sorry for the long reply, just want to make my viewpoint clear ;)

Sure, you admite that there's something wrong here and then come up with some excuse. Which is it? It's wrong but that's ok? How is it a bad analogy? You're the one that don't see that the forum is part of gog, it's part of their service. So they invite people to join the forum, they even use content of their forum for their own benefit (ex. support using solutions created by the community) but when shit hits the fan it's not their problem? It's "free"? Besides, what you're saying about the "shop side" can be compared with the food that you got. It's cold? Takes too long? There's a dead fly?

So my analogy is bad and you come up with a smokers room? So what, smokers aren't customers? The restaurant doesn't take responsibility of whatever happens in the smokers room? Sure, but you're also making excuses for behavior, you're saying that we shouldn't complain because it's "free". You're free to say that "i'll trust that Fables22 will come up with something" the same way that i'm free to distrust something positive will come out of it due to the past history of gog. You know what would make be believe? Actions, the time for simple words is long gone. Heh... Peace or freedom, pick your poison, that perfect utopia where you can have both doesn't exist. And as always, people are paranoid with moderation, you're making assumptions based in your experiences with other forums, why not assume that gog moderation will give us some space only acting in extreme cases? I remember people saying that there was this mythical blue in this forum that was capable of that and everyone was happy. And, hey, i appreciate your attitude but that doesn't solve the problem, see, that's YOUR way of thinking, we both can agree that others don't see it that way, right? Sure, there's good reasonable people but there's also people that are quick to make assumptions based on what they see, not to see that right or wrong, they're also quick to abuse a system that shouldn't exist. Sigh. Ok, so they came up with a solution for the regional pricing... Now, compare the "problem -> solution" time taken between that case and with this (broken forum) case. See the problem? ... Please, please, understand that i've done that. It didn't work. What's the waiting period between "SOS, send help, do something" and Gog actually doing something? Months? Years? Decades?
You say that "we" should make rules (and i'll assume, "fix" the problem). Look around, that is what the community has been doing. What do you think it's Adalia Fundamentals? Barefoot essentials? The "report spam" mob? I don't know about you but when something clearly isn't working then something's wrong!

edit: just to clarify, both barefoot essentials and adalia fundamentals do work and i do apreciate the job done by their creators but they also have limits, there is a point where it's up gog to intervene because they're the only ones that can fix it. Post 311, there's a link with my suggestion.

Please read more carefully. Never said something like that. (difference excuses <-> reasoning)
Cyraxpt, you came up with the example not me...so all I can say, I don't agree with your viewpoint.
And just for sake of it, IF YOUR claim would be true, can you show me what you claim in the subforums? In he French forums? ANYWHERE else?
The English forum is only a small tiny itchy part of it. End of story. Your claim everything is broken is dead wrong. (in your analogy)
See above BUT I do agree with the bad history. But following your logic? Why do buy other games, oh Game X+1 was worth then Game X, so you don't buy Game X+2 because +1 was shit?
Ever heard about proven innocent till proven guilty? For GOG you MIGHT be right, but transferring your anger/disappointment over to the new guy, is PLAIN wrong. If he makes the same shit as Konrad, yes you are right, but fable22 did indicate/hint something different. (post 262)
And AGAIN following your logic, he shall storm in and just perma-ban everyone. Yeah, great problem solved. (your logic)
And he knows already all problem because he has a crystal ball, riiiiight.
Maybe you harsh feelings did really cause some reading troubles;)
HOW shall he know what we want if WE DO NOT SAY IT?
Hence I REPEATED my suggestions which YOU IGNORED! And no other input as, sorry no other way of saying: I am unhappy, I am angry, solve it! (mostly :P)
see just above
Bad really bad, Everyone agrees. SO?
Move on nothing to see here! ;)
We can't change it, and holding for eternity a grudge will not change anything ;) (unless you are happy with it, what I do NOT assume, because you are posting ;) )
I do understand that you have done it. Okay? ;)
Barefoot I looked into, nice but not a must.
Adalia, just had a quick look and at least for me not a must either.
So, again you claim that EXTRA features are missing. They are nice to have things, but broken? Not working?
You can post, you can reply, you can post links (Aaaah, YES THAT is broken!), you can search (oh you don't like the built in one? there are other options, like using your favorite browser and using site:www.gog.com. And do you know THAT quite a few sites put this in their FAQ).
So beside ONE point I can see only EXTRAS, deluxe. But not broken. (along your analogy)

What do you use as a browser, what do you use as an office suit?
seen it, read it again, and?
-deluxe
-deluxe
-really bad idea, you know what those fucking images put up for a the servers? Imagine 50 people looking at a thread with 10*100kbytes (so 10 pics), 50.000 kbyes, ~50 MBytes of useless shit. And this for EVERY fucking view of the page. So viewing a page 10 times a day would increase this to 500 MBytes. And if the same thread is visited one month long, makes 1.5 GBYTES of fucking worthless pics. Sorry I see this bandwidth better in use for downloading games. GOG allows us to attach pics, you just have to click on them, far far better. (sorry for the strong language ;) )
-profile, divided...can be useful, can be nice, I am not sure, again would depend.
-Yes this is a fucking problem see above and before
-what we are talking about, so?

Rest you mentioned: We already agreed on ;)
How to say, to put my reply in a perspective, you do have some valid points, but you also need to put into account what is EASY do to and what requires REAL extra work. Yes, a few features wouldn't hurt, but you also have to see GOG's side of it, they provide an extra service for free, no ads or similar, right? What do they get out of it? Don't forget they are a business. Implementing those changes you wish for is an enormous task and as a business you can not really take a risk of having the side down for hours? days?, just to have some extras being implemented????
And all for a freebee?
It sounds like you have no idea about corporate ways of working, like bureaucracy:
Suggestion, needs to get approved on layer 1, goes to layer2 till it reaches the top, goes all the way down again, you make a risk assessment, all the way up again......dadadadada
There are some things which can be done on the existing platform as it only requires manpower, as I repeated just for you my suggestions (and dtgreenes). But again: Where is fables22 his crystal ball? (crystal clear now? ;) )

ONE POINT TO ADD TO THE LIST THAT THE STUPID THING IS NOT GIVING ANY ERROR MESSAGE WHEN POSTING, just the stupid cycle and no feedback! (I think we can agree on this as broken ;)

EDIT: That fable and me are posting at the same time is just coincident ;)

Now you understand why I asked about you working outside the "normal" working hours/days ;)