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So it was about sex change after all! This episode of live action internet drama was amazing! Now people will never stop talking about it!

Geez... I've said enough what I think about all this mess in the other thread. The only thing I am wondering now is if she's suicide threatening in grocery stores too.
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amok: god... You are just asking for down-rep, aren't you?
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Roman5: Why do you think I'm always posting that song?

The whole thing is fucking hilarious for me, I am watching all of this unfold as well as all this delicious Butthurt and just laughing my ass off
I don't share this opinion, but I can empathize with it.

There are registered charities. If you're feeling generous, donate to them. Now that Chloe Sagal has defrauded the charitable community, people are skeptical of private drives. Big frigging deal. There’s not enough charity money to help everyone, and a person in actual need vetted by a registered charity is no less deserving, while private drives have always been oh-exploitable prowling grounds for scammers. That’s why registered charities exist: they vet recipients impersonally so that donors don't have to either demand invasion of recipients' privacy or tolerate "inflammations of the cheating gland".

What does worry me is that legitimate charities, being exactly the opposite of private drives, which should theoretically experience an increase in donations whenever a cheating gland fraudster is discovered, also take a hit. Because charity is irrational. That sucks.
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Starmaker: What does worry me is that legitimate charities, being exactly the opposite of private drives, which should theoretically experience an increase in donations whenever a cheating gland fraudster is discovered, also take a hit. Because charity is irrational. That sucks.
The problem is, more and more legitimate charities turn out to be a scam as well. You know, those kind of charities who use 5% of their donations to help people and 95% to salaries, vacations, business trips and hotels. There are gazillions of them.

To find a good charity, you have to invest not only money, but a lot of time - to search and read financial statements of said organsiations.
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keeveek: The only thing I am wondering now is if she's suicide threatening in grocery stores too.
It's amazing that you still don't get the situation, even after it's been spelled to you.
It could be argued that a surgery that allows her to live her life the way she wants without feeling the need to kill herself, is quite the "life saving surgery".

What this has definitively reaffirmed for me, is a large portion of the internet and dare I say the human population in general, need to be eliminated. No one, NO ONE deserves the kind of abuse she's gotten. At some point there's just a level of basic human freaking decency that most people should be able to achieve that many of the people who sent her messages failed to do.

And yes, I keep saying she/her intentionally. Because that's how being a decent person acts.
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Hawk52: And yes, I keep saying she/her intentionally. Because that's how being a decent person acts.
Aaaaand you needed to stress this out to emphasise how decent person you are as opposed to the most of the Internet.

I love how most of the people who claim to be on the "right" side of tracks, do that to feel better about themselves and to show their moral superiority.

by the way, people who hate transgenders because they are different are scum. But people who gave her hard time because she is a liar, a criminal fraud and a deceptive silly individual are right.

Again, I'm being insensitive, but usually, when people attempt to make criminal fraud, they go to jail.
Post edited May 14, 2013 by keeveek
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amok: god... You are just asking for down-rep, aren't you?
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Alfie3000: Well, he did call it.
No. He's a zero information threadshitter obsessed with his unrequited love for Anita Sarkeesian. As such, he pronounces every pledge/donation drive a scam and every game a turd. Sometimes, his prediction is bound to coincide with the truth, but it's still white noise; you can't extract useful information from it.

(Usefulness is key, abstract track record doesn't matter (not that Roman5's is any good). If, according to Sturgeon's Law, 90% of everything is crap, a coin flipper who gets things wrong half the time scores more points than a paranoid pessimist who, having bet on 100% and thus being "correct" in 90% of cases, decides to boycott all entertainment.)
Where does all this intense Roman hate come from? I always see people jumping him and downrepping him passionately for things that don't really seem like such a big deal.
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morciu: Where does all this intense Roman hate come from? I always see people jumping him and downrepping him passionately for things that don't really seem like such a big deal.
Even when he happens to be right (by random luck), he still shitposts. Just look at the downrepped post of his. I would downrep it too, just because it's a fucking flood
Post edited May 14, 2013 by keeveek
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morciu: Where does all this intense Roman hate come from? I always see people jumping him and downrepping him passionately for things that don't really seem like such a big deal.
He actually has created a Roman is always right thread, amongst other things. Don't worry, he went great lengths to be disliked. He has really put a lot of effort into it. I think it's commendable in a very broken, twisted way.
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keeveek: Even when he happens to be right (by random luck), he still shitposts. Just look at the downrepped post of his. I would downrep it too, just because it's a fucking flood
Your avatar is terrible. Really. Terrible. I wanted to tell you earlier, but I forgot
Post edited May 14, 2013 by Fenixp
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Fenixp: Your avatar is terrible. Really. Terrible. I wanted to tell you earlier, but I forgot
It's amazing. First of all, it greatly depicts my usual feelings about the world around me.

Second, it's the GREAT TEACHER ONIZUKA. The best teacher in the world!

http://i10.mangareader.net/great-teacher-onizuka/163/great-teacher-onizuka-94694.jpg



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Fenixp: He actually has created a Roman is always right thread,
But that thread was freaking hilarious. One of my favourite threads. King of The GOG is the other one, and it's also made by Roman5.
Post edited May 14, 2013 by keeveek
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keeveek: Second, it's the GREAT TEACHER ONIZUKA. The best teacher in the world!

http://i10.mangareader.net/great-teacher-onizuka/163/great-teacher-onizuka-94694.jpg
That's not really helpful.
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keeveek: But that thread was freaking hilarious. One of my favourite threads. King of The GOG is the other one, and it's also made by Roman5.
I'm not saying it wasn't, but it didn't really help him to be liked
Post edited May 14, 2013 by Fenixp
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Starmaker: What does worry me is that legitimate charities, being exactly the opposite of private drives, which should theoretically experience an increase in donations whenever a cheating gland fraudster is discovered, also take a hit. Because charity is irrational. That sucks.
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keeveek: The problem is, more and more legitimate charities turn out to be a scam as well. You know, those kind of charities who use 5% of their donations to help people and 95% to salaries, vacations, business trips and hotels. There are gazillions of them.

To find a good charity, you have to invest not only money, but a lot of time - to search and read financial statements of said organsiations.
Not exactly; charities that cut overhead while chasing that delicious, delicious rating, are inefficient in comparison to those that hire paid professionals for market rates. E.g. if a charity needs an accountant, they should hire an actual accountant rather than sign up a pro-bono student who tries to make do with mint.com. The rational criterion is "good done per dollar" (whatever people's definition of good is; let's say "within a category" for the purpose of this thread; some think baby seals are cuter and more important than humans, and I'm not going to dispute that on a tablet.)

But yes, scams and vanity projects run wild. There has been a report of a local celebrity's charitable boutique crawl. They have collected around $30000 in donations for sick kids while wasting hundreds of thousands in purchases, refreshments, services, security, furnishings, rent, opportunity costs, which is honestly disgusting - but hey, every cent helps, amirite?
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Well, I'm glad the truth is finally out. I hate how I found out about this long ago (I was one of the people who got that four page letter -- the same letter I have been telling you she was supposed to post publicly for weeks now) and got stuck keeping quiet to prevent a suicide attempt. I constantly felt like she was holding the fate her life over my head and it has been extremely stressful. (I have probably been checking this thread three or four times a day, hoping somebody would say what I wanted to say forever now.)

I honestly don't know how to feel. While I feel extremely sad that a person resorted to lying, self harm, and hiding behind a story, I feel quite betrayed now that I have stuck my neck out multiple times to give her more time to tell the truth only to be told to wait longer EVERY time I tried to help her come clean followed by garbled/nonsense skype messages with the only legible words being ones like "knife", hinting that she was being suicidal again.

I tried really hard to help in every way I could to let the truth be told in her own words and timing (thinking she would cooperate and be sorry for what she did), but instead of her receiving my kindness and taking the opportunity I laid out for her, she used that kindness as a tool to hide longer -- and I feel very used and betrayed as a result.

Obviously this was a mistake, so I apologize very much to everyone on this forum for the added convolution. I had no idea that I would be snubbed continuously like that. My intentions were kindhearted, but the results of what I tried doing ended up kicking me in my own rear end.

At this point, I honestly don't really know how to feel about all this. As of now, based on what she has said to me, I think she still feels like her actions were totally justified, which still has me absolutely shocked. I have tried a LOT to get her to realize that wrong is wrong no matter the reason, but she keeps justifying it and telling me about all her medical issues and why this-is-this and that-is-that, completely sidetracking what I am trying to talk to her about every time I bring it up. It is really upsetting as a big-brother nice-guy kind of person wanting very much to help somebody go towards the right direction and getting kicked in the butt for trying to help and watching that person run off in the wrong direction yet again. I feel very manipulated and used, and I had no idea this would happen.

As for the suicide attempt thing, my friend, frogelephants, called the police when she got a troubling message from Chloe, and Chloe was taken to the hospital, so unless something happened in the past day, she is still okay; and I really, truly hope for her and everyone else's sake during the time she is in the hospital she realizes what she has done and can learn from this huge mistake instead of making it again.

I had originally agreed to help Chloe knowing she was a friend of one of my extremely close college friends (I met Chloe when I told my college friend I would help her make a game) before I knew all the details and BOY was that a mistake. It is safe to say I will not be white knighting her any longer until she stops using people as a tools to perpetuate this mess.

I do not hate her, and I am not at all discriminating against ANY members of the lgbt community. I have been very let down, used, and lied to (even when I thought I knew the truth), so I am stepping away from Chloe until she starts owning up for what she did. I cannot be one who stands by and defends a scammer, lgbt or not. I am sorry if this angers anyone, but I cannot be the tool of a manipulator. I care about Chloe as a human being, as well as the rest of the lgbt community, and stepping back before she misrepresents others who are similar to her as liars any further is what I feel is best right now -- because I am sure a lot of anti lgbt people are ready to have a field-day with all this.

So again, I apologize to everyone. I wasted a lot of your time and I should have waited until I knew the full truth before speaking up.
Post edited May 14, 2013 by GaiaMike
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GaiaMike: buncha stuff
You seem like a thoroughly decent fella. If I ever start a fight with the whole internet, I'll want you in my corner.