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I have to ask one thing. Are any of you guy's lawyers?
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cj13810: I have to ask one thing. Are any of you guy's lawyers?
My grandfather and grandmother were. Problem is my grandpa was born in the 1880s so even if he wasn't dead I can't imagine he'd be really up on current law.
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cj13810: I have to ask one thing. Are any of you guy's lawyers?
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tinyE: My grandfather and grandmother were. Problem is my grandpa was born in the 1880s so even if he wasn't dead I can't imagine he'd be really up on current law.
cj13810: "Uh, hello?"
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cj13810: "Are you tinyE's dead grandfather?"
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cj13810: "Look, I need some legal advice..."
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rampancy: I don't know if I'm 100% on board with the notion of being a perfect stranger undermining a minor's authority, but on the other hand, there are cases where the "child" in question has a far more advanced, more mature, and more nuanced understanding of the subject matter (be it video gaming, music, or homosexuality) than their parents ever will. If the parent is blocking access to material that the person can handle, and is only blocking it for reasons that can be objectively seen to be rooted in irrational fear or ignorance, I don't immediately see anything wrong in helping that person access it, be it a book, video, or movie (obviously, there's a reasonable line to be drawn here for porn, etc.).
Yes, but to decide this you must know both of them: The minor and the parents. I have a problem with taking ones side without hearing the other side of the story. The bad mormon dad is evil, because he doesn't allow his son to play "System Shock 2" and the son is a brave revolutionary is a lttle too much black and white thinking for my taste.

Don't get me wrong: I'm absolutely for helping kids against their parents if they are really in need of help (in fact it's my job), but I don't see the need in this special case.
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cj13810: I have to ask one thing. Are any of you guy's lawyers?
We do have a few lawyers in the community, but they seem to be notably absent in this thread (or at all, lately). We also tend to have a bit of experience with laws with regard to computer games. Why?
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tinyE: My grandfather and grandmother were. Problem is my grandpa was born in the 1880s so even if he wasn't dead I can't imagine he'd be really up on current law.
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Navagon: cj13810: "Uh, hello?"
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cj13810: "Are you tinyE's dead grandfather?"
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cj13810: "Look, I need some legal advice..."
Thats a good "Twilight Zone". I've got that one on DVD!

Seriously, he was a lawyer during prohibition charged with busting speakeasys in K.C. Missouri. He never actually busted one but he sure spent a lot of time at them. Point being, I don't think "letter of the law" was his credo and he probably would have told your dad to eat shit.
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cj13810: I have to ask one thing. Are any of you guy's lawyers?
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Psyringe: We do have a few lawyers in the community, but they seem to be notably absent in this thread (or at all, lately). We also tend to have a bit of experience with laws with regard to computer games. Why?
Just wondering because allot of you guy's seem like you could be. Like how you write 3 pages every time you post on how you are wright and the other guy is not.
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Psyringe: We do have a few lawyers in the community, but they seem to be notably absent in this thread (or at all, lately). We also tend to have a bit of experience with laws with regard to computer games. Why?
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cj13810: Just wondering because allot of you guy's seem like you could be. Like how you write 3 pages every time you post on how you are wright and the other guy is not.
XD
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Psyringe: We do have a few lawyers in the community, but they seem to be notably absent in this thread (or at all, lately). We also tend to have a bit of experience with laws with regard to computer games. Why?
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cj13810: Just wondering because allot of you guy's seem like you could be. Like how you write 3 pages every time you post on how you are wright and the other guy is not.
Well ... if that's the criterion to spot a lawyer, then they apparently make up 90% of the Internet. ;)

Actually I think that the discussion has been pretty civil for an Internet debate of an emotionally loaded topic. We even had a few people who agreed to disagree, and some who tried to relieve the tension with good humor. I also think that several participants did not, in fact, try to prove they were right (and others wrong), but rather tried to clarify their own statement, which is a difference. But yeah, debates about religion and family values tend to get heated, and you'll practically never see somebody change his opinion during such a discussion (though perhaps later, when nobody's looking ;) ).
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cj13810: Just wondering because allot of you guy's seem like you could be. Like how you write 3 pages every time you post on how you are wright and the other guy is not.
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Psyringe: Well ... if that's the criterion to spot a lawyer, then they apparently make up 90% of the Internet. ;)

Actually I think that the discussion has been pretty civil for an Internet debate of an emotionally loaded topic. We even had a few people who agreed to disagree, and some who tried to relieve the tension with good humor. I also think that several participants did not, in fact, try to prove they were right (and others wrong), but rather tried to clarify their own statement, which is a difference. But yeah, debates about religion and family values tend to get heated, and you'll practically never see somebody change his opinion during such a discussion (though perhaps later, when nobody's looking ;) ).
*ahem*
"...debates about religion and family values..."
The other day shots were almost fired discussing Windows 8.
Post edited February 16, 2013 by tinyE
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wpegg: It was nonsense. I was suggesting that you might want to actually say something as opposed to making 'educated' points.
It was a metaphor. dirtyharry50 said, almost verbatim, that this is obviously about family. Others have seen the issue as being (equally obviously) about culture, trust, obedience, freedom... They're not just coming up with different answers, they're ASKING DIFFERENT QUESTIONS. They look at this situation and see different things.
I did not have much more to remark upon at that point, so I left it there.

Now I'm wondering whether there are people in this thread who see others' perspectives AND are wrong at the same time. It's trivial to imagine a person understanding where others are coming from yet knowing better...

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Navagon: We seriously thought we did. But they turned out to be horses. Us British aren't as up on our farm animals as we thought.
Well... To be fair - if it doesn't go "moo" anymore - how can one be sure ?
Post edited February 16, 2013 by Vestin
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Psyringe: Well ... if that's the criterion to spot a lawyer, then they apparently make up 90% of the Internet. ;)

Actually I think that the discussion has been pretty civil for an Internet debate of an emotionally loaded topic. We even had a few people who agreed to disagree, and some who tried to relieve the tension with good humor. I also think that several participants did not, in fact, try to prove they were right (and others wrong), but rather tried to clarify their own statement, which is a difference. But yeah, debates about religion and family values tend to get heated, and you'll practically never see somebody change his opinion during such a discussion (though perhaps later, when nobody's looking ;) ).
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tinyE: *ahem*
"...debates about religion and family values..."
The other day shots were almost fired discussing Windows 8.
Yeah, I don't understand that. Everyone knows that Windows 8 is rubbish. ;)

(Joking aside, Windows 8 _is_ a loaded topic as well, though not quite as much as matters of family or belief.)
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tinyE: *ahem*
"...debates about religion and family values..."
The other day shots were almost fired discussing Windows 8.
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Psyringe: Yeah, I don't understand that. Everyone knows that Windows 8 is rubbish. ;)

(Joking aside, Windows 8 _is_ a loaded topic as well, though not quite as much as matters of family or belief.)
I should have qualified my statement. The thread had been started by a certain someone who shall remain nameless that comes in here just to yell at people.
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Vestin: It was a metaphor. dirtyharry50 said, almost verbatim, that this is obviously about family. Others have seen the issue as being (equally obviously) about culture, trust, obedience, freedom... They're not just coming up with different answers, they're ASKING DIFFERENT QUESTIONS. They look at this situation and see different things.
I did not have much more to remark upon at that point, so I left it there.
By the way, the internet spoiled me :-( When you wrote "trunk" i thought about the other type of trunk first... Well, it makes sense too :P