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orcishgamer: Windows is a clusterfuck anyway, I would like everyone to agree on a clear location for userland apps, right now. I'm waiting... where is it?
Some agreement on where to store save games would be appreciated as well.
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orcishgamer: Windows is a clusterfuck anyway, I would like everyone to agree on a clear location for userland apps, right now. I'm waiting... where is it?
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Navagon: Some agreement on where to store save games would be appreciated as well.
I thought that's appdata. It's not Microsoft's fault that programmers choose to save stuff whereever, they could enforce it a bit more tho.
Well that's great news. So far, with EVERY SINGLE game i've installed from GOG, i've had to change the default location AWAY from Program Files. i grew frustrated with this after the first dozen. Would be nice if the installers simply remembered where i put the last ones. Really it's no big deal though. My biggest beef is getting update messages but having absolutely no information on what would be updated. That's actually begun to piss me off.
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orcishgamer: Windows is a clusterfuck anyway, I would like everyone to agree on a clear location for userland apps, right now. I'm waiting... where is it?
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Navagon: Some agreement on where to store save games would be appreciated as well.
I always thought "My documents" was the latest dump site.
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Fenixp: they could enforce it a bit more tho.
A lot more. Games For Windows (not Live) was a good scheme but it was too little and too late. They should have had something like that at least by the time that XP was released, if not before.
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Navagon: Some agreement on where to store save games would be appreciated as well.
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Fenixp: I thought that's appdata. It's not Microsoft's fault that programmers choose to save stuff whereever, they could enforce it a bit more tho.
They don't do enough to include this in development educational materials, though I suspect it's part of certification.

You're right it's technically not MS' fault, but they kind of handed over a mess and expected people to behave well, it's both sides' issue now and we users deal with the fallout.

I am never confused about where to put shit in Linux, it's great, I just wish I could say the same for Windows (I'm not being snarky, I really want this).
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Titanium: I always thought "My documents" was the latest dump site.
Most saves go there. But not all. I lost all my Napoleon Total War progress because Creative Assembly insisted putting the saves in the most obscure location they could think of. They're not alone in that either.
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Navagon: I actually have to commend GOG on this. Program Files has to be pretty much the worst place to install games and is the reason save games, config data and other regularly altered files are usually stored GOG knows where.
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orcishgamer: Windows is a clusterfuck anyway, I would like everyone to agree on a clear location for userland apps, right now. I'm waiting... where is it?
Stuff that you isn't made for you to access and is made for access from the program should go to appdata, data that you should be able to access with ease should go to my documents. Programs should go to program files.
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Fenixp: I thought that's appdata. It's not Microsoft's fault that programmers choose to save stuff whereever, they could enforce it a bit more tho.
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orcishgamer: They don't do enough to include this in development educational materials, though I suspect it's part of certification.

You're right it's technically not MS' fault, but they kind of handed over a mess and expected people to behave well, it's both sides' issue now and we users deal with the fallout.

I am never confused about where to put shit in Linux, it's great, I just wish I could say the same for Windows (I'm not being snarky, I really want this).
Most programs put their shit right now even on windows. There are a few exceptions (why does xchat put chatlogs in appdata?) and it is partly MS fault because they quite often ignore their standards and in some cases I'm glad that standards are ignored like the "programs that are active should always be visible in the taskbar".
Post edited January 05, 2013 by Darkcloud
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Fenixp: Actually, as far as I'm aware, only some GOG installers prevent you from using special characters, and those are installers for games where special characters in the path would cause issues, like Dungeon Keeper 2 for example. After all, these are old games, and old software often has issues with special characters in install paths.
The first time I encountered this issue was with the installer for Treasure Adventure Game, released in 2011. Meanwhile, the much older Imperialism does not have this restriction (both with 2.0 GOG installers). It seems entirely arbitrary whether installers have this restriction or not.

This just seems like a weird, stupid bug to me, more than an intentional restriction. At least I hope so, because if it was done intentionally it's even more idiotic. (Perhaps the programmer forgot that parentheses are allowed in Windows pathnames?)

But my main point was that I really wish they would just use a standard installer. This is by far my biggest complaint about GOG.
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Navagon: Some agreement on where to store save games would be appreciated as well.
Wouldn't Saved Games be a logical place?
Post edited January 05, 2013 by goplanet
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goplanet: The first time I encountered this issue was with the installer for Treasure Adventure Game, released in 2011. Meanwhile, the much older Imperialism does not have this restriction (both with 2.0 GOG installers). It seems entirely arbitrary whether installers have this restriction or not.
In that case they have added the requirement to all then. Well... Interesting choice, especially for new titles - at any rate, there are suddenly no more complaints about bugs caused by installing to default 'program files' or about game saves / whatever not working because of path with 'special' characters, and complaints about GOG restricting special characters are few and far between, so I'd say it was a good call on GOG's part. Sort of. I'd agree that a warning would be a prefferable solution, but ... Well, people are idiots, they won't read no warnings!

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goplanet: But my main point was that I really wish they would just use a standard installer. This is by far my biggest complaint about GOG.
What is a standard installer? GOG is using innosetup, what's non-standard about that?
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goplanet: Wouldn't Saved Games be a logical place?
You'd think. But I've never known anything use that.
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goplanet: This is already more of a hassle than some forms of DRM, honestly.
Hahahahaha.
Don't get me started on installers for Windows. If you want to clear a room full of developers FAST just utter the words "we need someone to work on the installer" - you wont see them for dust.

And that's when you are developing your own software with full access to the source to fix any incorrect assumptions/mistakes about file/resource placement.

I shudder to think what GOG have to go through to successfully install games that have been developed from before Windows existed all the way up to current games via every version of Windows with little or no access to the source.
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goplanet: Wouldn't Saved Games be a logical place?
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Navagon: You'd think. But I've never known anything use that.
A few things do. Looking in it shows AGS games and ScummVM here.

There's probably many more but I just reinstalled hence the small number.
Soooo, people still install their games into "program files"?